Revamp: Grimer -> Muk

[ImmunityBow]

What CAN be revamped:
- Movesets (TMs and levelsets) - For TMs, please post the existing list even if you're making no changes, it makes my job much easier.
- Abilities
- Egg Moves (POST WITH FATHERS, PLEASE)

What CANNOT be revamped:
- Base stats

We're doing Grimer -> Muk in this topic.

We're starting from scratch with this one and the next (Koffing Line).

[PokePoindexter]

I thought we did this one before, but I guess not. Been about 3-4 years since we started it. Anyway, I'm officially back now, and hope to stay with the program at least for awhile.

Anyway, I'm thinking something like this for Movesets:


01/01 Pound
01/01 Poison Gas
04/01 Harden
08/08 Disable
13/13 Sludge
19/19 Minimize
26/26 Screech
34/34 Acid Armor
43/47 Sludge Bomb
53/55 Venom Strike
--/66 Ambush
64/77 Memento

Let's be honest; there aren't very many new moves that a Poison-type can take advantage of in this game.

Anyway, the TM list: (*Muk Only)

01 Focus Punch*
06 Toxic
10 Hidden Power
11 Sunny Day
12 Taunt
15 Hyper Beam*
17 Protect
18 Rain Dance
19 Giga Drain
21 Frustration
24 Thunderbolt
25 Thunder
27 Return
28 Dig
31 Brick Break*
32 Double Team
34 Shock Wave
35 Flamethrower
36 Sludge Bomb
38 Fire Blast
39 Rock Tomb
41 Torment
42 Facade
43 Secret Power
44 Rest
45 Attract
46 Thief
55 Endure
57 Iron Fist*
58 Nightfall
60 Megafriction*
61 Umbrage
68 Venom Strike
75 Sleep Talk
77 Overload*
78 Substitute
79 Rocket Punch
80 Orion's Sword
H4 Strength*
H6 Rock Smash*


And the egg moves: (Yeah, lock-step what they were in the RSE series)

Haze
Lick
Mean Look
Imprison
Curse
Shadow Punch
Explosion

[ImmunityBow]

Terra Strike might work on Muk. I can imagine a Muk sending an attack down into the earth and it popping up afterwards.

But man, Poison is criminally underrepresented in Topaz moves...

What are people's opinions on Muk having Overload on TM? It seems a little out of place, but no more than Thunderbolt on Raticate...

[PokePoindexter]

Hmm...actually, the more I think about it, Terra Strike does seem like something Muk could use.

I suppose Overload could work too, since he already gets Thunderbolt and Thunder through RSE TMs.

[ImmunityBow]

You already put Overload on TM, that's why I brought it up.

[NyteFyre]

Speaking of random and slightly out of place, Rhydon learning Surf. One of the most epic moments of my childhood.

I could see Terra Strike on Muk, and Overload is fine, I mean, it'd be fun to see Muk explode and leave copious amounts of itself on everything and every wall in the immediate area. XD

[ImmunityBow]

And he does learn Explosion via Egg Move...

[MeekRhino]

Everything here looks good, I can't find anything I take issue to. When I first looked at it, his levelup moveset seemed a little dry, but after consideration I think it's fine the way it is. I think Terra Strike and Overload fit fine, and Explosion is great as an egg move.

[Blade Flight]

Just bumping to help move along. I can kinda see Overload, but it's a bit of a stretch...oh well. I'm 100% fine with Terra Strike and Explosion.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

I'm good with both. But WHERE would Terra Strike go? Egg move? TM? Or a levelset move? Is it even a TM? If so I say TM.

[ImmunityBow]

It's not a TM and it's pretty criminally unrepresented among Pokemon, so I think moveset is the best place.

[MeekRhino]

Yeah, I really like the idea of the move on Muk so moveset sounds good.

He also has crazy long gaps between moves, so he could use more

[PokePoindexter]

I'd be fine with Terra Strike as well. Maybe we replace something like Sludge Bomb or something (since SB is special, it doesn't do Muk a lot of good).

[ImmunityBow]

Sludge Bomb is nearly signature for Muk though. I mean who can you imagine using it more easily? Screech is the move I think seems the least fitting. It's in the middle of two other supporting moves (Minimize and Acid Armor) and I have troubles imagining a high-pitched Muk.

[NyteFyre]

Yeah, Screech can be done without.

[PokePoindexter]

So be it. Here's the new list:

01/01 Pound
01/01 Poison Gas
04/01 Harden
08/08 Disable
13/13 Sludge
19/19 Minimize
26/26 Terra Strike
34/34 Acid Armor
43/47 Sludge Bomb
53/55 Venom Strike
--/66 Ambush
64/77 Memento

[Cyndadile]

Would Grimer really be able to manage Terra Strike? It seems to be a lot to expect from such a small pokemon. I could see it on Muk, who looks a lot stronger, but Grimer looks too wimpy to manage it.

I don't really know much about balancing moves on pokemon (my technique in game is "get rid of it if it doesn't do damage"), so I can only really look at this based on what would fit the pokemon's appearence/dex entry.

[Cranky Guy]

If Grimer can learn Explosion via Egg move, than I don't see why it can't use Terra Strike.

[ImmunityBow]

Well, considering that its stats will be smaller, the Terra Strike will be less damaging. So it'll be a smaller Terra Strike too.

[Cyndadile]

All right, that makes sense.

[Cyndadile]

What we've got:

Moveset

01/01 Pound
01/01 Poison Gas
04/01 Harden
08/08 Disable
13/13 Sludge
19/19 Minimize
26/26 Terra Strike
34/34 Acid Armor
43/47 Sludge Bomb
53/55 Venom Strike
--/66 Ambush
64/77 Memento
TM list: (*Muk Only)

01 Focus Punch*
06 Toxic
10 Hidden Power
11 Sunny Day
12 Taunt
15 Hyper Beam*
17 Protect
18 Rain Dance
19 Giga Drain
21 Frustration
24 Thunderbolt
25 Thunder
27 Return
28 Dig
31 Brick Break*
32 Double Team
34 Shock Wave
35 Flamethrower
36 Sludge Bomb
38 Fire Blast
39 Rock Tomb
41 Torment
42 Facade
43 Secret Power
44 Rest
45 Attract
46 Thief
55 Endure
57 Iron Fist*
58 Nightfall
60 Megafriction*
61 Umbrage
68 Venom Strike
75 Sleep Talk
77 Overload*
78 Substitute
79 Rocket Punch
80 Orion's Sword
H4 Strength*
H6 Rock Smash*
Egg Moves:

Haze
Lick
Mean Look
Imprison
Curse
Shadow Punch
Explosion

Any changes? Or is it time for a writeup and pokemon.txt update?

[ImmunityBow]

I'm just going to go ahead and give the go ahead. If anyone had issues they would have spoken them by now.

[Cyndadile]

Grimer Line


#077/#088
Grimer
Sludge Pokemon
Evolution: Evolves into Muk at level 38
Height: 2' 11"
Weight: 66.0 lbs
Ability: Stench
Ability: Sticky Hold
Egg Group: Indeterminate

Dex Entry: Because it is often seen lurking in landfills, some people claim GRIMER is actually the result of toxic mutation from trash. It has been proven that they do not appear in cleaner areas nearly as often.

Base Stats:
HP: 80
Atk: 80
Def: 50
SAtk: 40
SDef: 50
Spd: 25
BST: 325

01 Pound
01 Poison Gas
04 Harden
08 Disable
13 Sludge
19 Minimize
26 Terra Strike
34 Acid Armor
43 Sludge Bomb
53 Venom Strike
64 Memento

TMs:

06 Toxic
10 Hidden Power
11 Sunny Day
12 Taunt
17 Protect
18 Rain Dance
19 Giga Drain
21 Frustration
24 Thunderbolt
25 Thunder
27 Return
28 Dig
32 Double Team
34 Shock Wave
35 Flamethrower
36 Sludge Bomb
38 Fire Blast
39 Rock Tomb
41 Torment
42 Facade
43 Secret Power
44 Rest
45 Attract
46 Thief
55 Endure
58 Nightfall
61 Umbrage
68 Venom Strike
75 Sleep Talk
78 Substitute
79 Rocket Punch
80 Orion's Sword

Front and back sprites by Gamefreak


#078/#089
Muk
Sludge Pokemon
Height: 3' 11"
Weight: 66.0 lbs
Ability: Stench
Ability: Sticky Hold
Egg Group: Indeterminate

Dex Entry: MUK's body releases poison gases that are harmful to humans and other POKEMON. If it comes near polluted waters, it grows bigger by absorbing the water and turning it into sludge for its body.

Base Stats:
HP: 105
Atk: 105
Def: 75
SAtk: 65
SDef: 100
Spd: 50
BST: 500

01 Pound
01 Poison Gas
01 Harden
08 Disable
13 Sludge
19 Minimize
26 Terra Strike
34 Acid Armor
47 Sludge Bomb
55 Venom Strike
66 Ambush
77 Memento

TMs:

01 Focus Punch
06 Toxic
10 Hidden Power
11 Sunny Day
12 Taunt
15 Hyper Beam
17 Protect
18 Rain Dance
19 Giga Drain
21 Frustration
24 Thunderbolt
25 Thunder
27 Return
28 Dig
31 Brick Break
32 Double Team
34 Shock Wave
35 Flamethrower
36 Sludge Bomb
38 Fire Blast
39 Rock Tomb
41 Torment
42 Facade
43 Secret Power
44 Rest
45 Attract
46 Thief
55 Endure
57 Iron Fist
58 Nightfall
60 Megafriction
61 Umbrage
68 Venom Strike
75 Sleep Talk
77 Overload
78 Substitute
79 Rocket Punch
80 Orion's Sword
H4 Strength
H6 Rock Smash

Front and back sprites by Gamefreak


Egg Moves:

Haze
Lick
Mean Look
Imprison
Curse
Shadow Punch
Explosion

Um... what is BST? (under base stats)
Base stats, abilities, egg group (I think it's right), height, weight all stolen from RSE/FRLG.
Will work on pokemon.txt later.

[ImmunityBow]

BST is base stat total. Just add up the stats. Thanks!

[Cyndadile]

Name=GRIMER
InternalName=GRIMER
Type1=POISON
BaseStats=80,80,50,25,40,50
GenderRate=Female50Percent
GrowthRate=Medium
BaseEXP=90
EffortPoints=1,0,0,0,0,0
Rareness=190
Happiness=70
Abilities=STENCH,STICKYHOLD
Moves=1,POISONGAS,1,POUND,4,HARDEN,8,DISABLE,13,SL UDGE,19,MINIMIZE,26,TERRASTRIKE,34,ACIDARMOR,43,SL UDGEBOMB,53,VENOMSTRIKE,64,MEMENTO
EggMoves=HAZE,LICK,MEANLOOK,IMPRISON,CURSE,SHADOWP UNCH,EXPLOSION
Compatibility=11,11
StepsToHatch=5355
Height=0.9
Weight=30.0
Color=Purple
Habitat=Urban
Kind=Sludge
Pokedex=Because it is often seen lurking in landfills, some people claim GRIMER is actually the result of toxic mutation from trash. It has been proven that they do not appear in cleaner areas nearly as often.
BattlerPlayerY=0
BattlerEnemyY=22
BattlerAltitude=0
Evolutions=MUK,Level,38

Name=MUK
InternalName=MUK
Type1=POISON
BaseStats=105,105,75,50,65,100
GenderRate=Female50Percent
GrowthRate=Medium
BaseEXP=157
EffortPoints=1,1,0,0,0,0
Rareness=75
Happiness=70
Abilities=STENCH,STICKYHOLD
Moves=1,POISONGAS,1,POUND,1,HARDEN,8,DISABLE,13,SL UDGE,19,MINIMIZE,26,TERRASTRIKE,34,ACIDARMOR,47,SL UDGEBOMB,55,VENOMSTRIKE,66,AMBUSH,77,MEMENTO
EggMoves=
Compatibility=11,11
StepsToHatch=5355
Height=1.2
Weight=30.0
Color=Purple
Habitat=Urban
Kind=Sludge
Pokedex=MUK's body releases poison gases that are harmful to humans and other POKEMON. If it comes near polluted waters, it grows bigger by absorbing the water and turning it into sludge for its body.
BattlerPlayerY=0
BattlerEnemyY=8
BattlerAltitude=0
Evolutions=
I downloaded the latest version of Essentials and added/subtracted things from the default pokemon.txt entries, so height, weight, BattlerEnemyY, growthrate, baseEXP, stepstohatch, habitat, compatibility, rareness, and effort points are all whatever Essentials thought they should be. Enjoy!

[ImmunityBow]

Excellent, that was a wonderful idea. I should have thought of that :/ Now to fix all the things that are off about what we already have (especially BattlerEnemyY...) Will post up the Grimer writeup.