Pokemon Black and White (5th generation) discussion

[Quinn]

GUESS WHAT!!!!! 5th gen if CONFIRMED!!!!! U DONT BELIEVE???? GO HERE...5th Generation Pokemon Games On Their Way This Year! (http://pokebeach.com/2010/01/5th-generation-pokemon-games-apparently-on-the-way) and then if you still dont believe, go to the japanese site, but get a translate like google or yahoo.

[zeroality]

I think this definitely warrants its own discussion thread instead of being hidden in the No Topic thread. Well, this isn't surprising news but I am surprised that it is coming so soon after HG/SS. After D/P changed the competitive metagame so dramatically, you have to wonder what the 5th gen has in store for us.

[Reliability]

I figure it will be similar to the developments from the 3rd generation: not much in terms of actual battles/types/ect. but some new storyline things.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

They probably still wont have enough sense to introduce LIGHT but it will still be cool to get a new reigon.

[Cyndadile]

I am not suprised at all. It is hard to believe that they are announcing it so soon, though... One would think that they would wait until they have drained most of the profit from HGSS. I would, at least. No real complaints though.

[zeroality]

Yeah a Light type would be cool. It would also be good to see them change weakness/resistances a little because Steel/Dragon/Water are way overpowered while types like Bug and Poison get the shaft.

[SilentSentinel]

Poison was strong against bug in gen I, but ever since then it hasnt been.

The announcement doesn't give a whole lot of details, so for all we know, it could be another mystery dungeon game with cameos from 5th gen pokemon. I wouldn't put it past them.

[XTS]

There won't be a Light-type, the pokemon better not suck as hard as 4th Gen's, etc....perfectly content to not bother speculating and wait until actual confirmed facts of substance have been released about the games.

[Quinn]

yah...I do hope though that they introduce light. I dont think they will, but... Yah I personally think that new movie in japan is gonna hold one new, like RSE introduced munchlax and bonsly. I too hope they aren't like 4th DPP. As fun as the game was, the pokemon weren't really the greatest. But HG & SS will cover that "scratch" up a bit.

[SilentSentinel]

I agree with XTS, we should just wait for another announcement before we get all excited.

[zeroality]

Yeah, they are supposedly revealing some news on Pokemon Sunday.

[Quinn]

Just wondering, where do u go to watch pkmn sunday?

[zeroality]

I don't know if they have a feed on their site or not but the url is http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pokemon_sunday/

I can't read anything on there so I couldn't find it for you.

[Quinn]

do a translate, by google.com/translate or yahoo.com/translate

[zeroality]

Did they announce anything?

[Quinn]

idk. I forgot to try

[SilentSentinel]

I think on serebii or somewhere that another announcment will be made on february 7th.

[Quinn]

yah. I know there is also a youtube person. But I was gonna try to watch the actual show.

[MewLoverEX]

I can't wait until they come out. Am looking forward to seeing what new Pokemon are on the way.

[Quinn]

possilbly new. It is ALMOST for sure, but then it could also be something like colosseum or xd

[Shadow_Rukario]

If they made something like Colosseum or XD I would rage. I only used those pieces of junk for getting Ho-oh, Lugia, and the legendary dogs. Hoping for a 5th generation game, and hoping that there will be better looking pokemon in it than in Gen 4, but I'm not too hopeful.

[zeroality]

What I want is better Bug Pokemon. They have decent coverage and nice resists.

[SilentSentinel]

Or they could make poison better. Just a thought, considering that it sucks as of now. I don't know how they'd do that without adding new types though.

[zeroality]

Yeah, the best suggestion I ever heard regarding Poison was making it super effective vs Water. That instantly gives any Poison user a great type coverage and helps balance out the overpowered Water type.

I'd like to see Steel (defensively) and Dragon down-powered as well.

[Quinn]

how could u not like xd? Those were great. Though they were different than the original style handheld's, they were still good and I know they will make a new one sooner or later. Though...one that really did bomb (bad) was battle rev. It was fun for the first bit, but there isn't any adventure in it. Anyways back on topic, does anyone know yet more with how to get pokemon sunday?

[sammy p]

i would kinda hope personally nintendo stops using the same pokemon(geodude, zubat, ect. pikachu is fine for obvious reasons) for eery game, and make some more new and exciting pokemon to take place of the older ones... during RSE, i was on edge about seeing geodude and zubat in EVERY dungeon again, but DPP pushed me over the limit.... they need to quit recycling the same pokemon and make some new ones i think.... >_>

[SilentSentinel]

That's one of the big reasons why they aren't in this game. The project founders (or whoever decided what pokemon were going to be in) did not want the same generic crap. I'm lookin at you too, tentacool.

[zeroality]

Anyways back on topic, does anyone know yet more with how to get pokemon sunday?

No, if they don't have it on their site then you probably won't find a live feed anywhere else. I'm sure there will be youtubes of it though.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

OMG NEW POGEMANZ!!!

I wonder what new features this game will have?

[SilentSentinel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn3832UqYaY&feature=player_embedded

This reveals the silhouette of the first fifth gen pokemon, to be fully revealed in the next pokemon movie.

[zeroality]

Ugh 6 min. What time does it appear? Like 02:32?

[SilentSentinel]

Pretty early in the video. It has like chicken legs, but I would guess it's a werewolf or a lucario evo. At least, that's what some people on OI are speculating.

[zeroality]

Yeah I just saw it on Serebii. Looks really cool.

I don't think Lucario is gonna get an evo.

[PokePoindexter]

^Why not? He got a pre-evo, and turned out not to be a Legendary after everyone thought he was.

I wonder if they're going to have something that tops Arceus. Probably not, since he's an "Alpha" Pokemon, but they might have one.

[zeroality]

A ton of Pokemon are just 2 stage evolutions. I can't possibly see Lucario getting even more powered, unless they did something that nerfed him.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

Yeah Lucario is good enough already without an evo

[Quinn]

Im personally either hoping that it is an evolution to Mightyena OR just one different legendary. Or maybe it could possibly just be a "basic". No pre's or after's.

[SilentSentinel]

We'll see. Remember all the speculation when the Lucario silhouette was released?

[SilentSentinel]

They revealed the pokemon from the video and it's pre-evolution. These are confirmed to be real, as they were unvealed on CoroCoro. The article says that more pokemon will be revealed next month, as well as these two pokemon's abilities. They are both pure-dark type.

http://www.serebii.net/generation5/

[Quinn]

Since I am more of the lazy type, here are some photos of them so u dont have to site search.
http://www.serebii.net/generation5/zorua.jpg
http://www.serebii.net/generation5/zoroark.jpg
http://pokebeach.com/news/0210/new-pokemon-zorua-zoroark.jpg

[zeroality]

That's alotta hair. Pure dark eh? Don't think we have one of these in OU besides Umbreon (yeah Darkrai is uber). Would be cool to get an offensive Dark Pokemon.

[SilentSentinel]

Well that thing certainly looks like it is offensively based.

[Cranky Guy]

Its gooooooood to get another dark type! If im not wrong, the smaller wolf is called zoroa and the one thats gonna get into the new movie is called Zoroark. Zoroa is an evil fox pokemon while Zoroark is a monster fox pokemon. They say that Zoroa is evil but Zoroark is not. Anyway im looking forward to the new pokemon!

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

I'm glad that dark is getting what looks to be a good ou pokemon.

[Quinn]

I know right? I can't wait till they actually start talkin bout more, which might be in the next week to 2.

[Pikaash2009]

these r my sprites i made of zoroark and zorua http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/Pikaash2009/ZOROARK.png

[zeroality]

Cool sprites. We actually do need some trainer sprites done. Wanna try your hand at that?

[SilentSentinel]

Wow yeah, those are actually pretty good, especially zorua

[ImmunityBow]

It might just be my eyes playing tricks on me but I might recognize parts of those sprites from others... anyway, while the sprites are decent your outlines still need work. They should be shaded just like you would shade the rest of the sprite and don't be afraid to use black sometimes.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

I think they look pretty good.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Oh good looking, well thought out not-seeming-to-be-i-cba-so-i'll-just-reuse-this conecpts. Looks like someones thinking again!

[Angle-san]

The Pokémon Company has announced that a new Pokémon RPG will release by the end of this year for the Nintendo DS. According to Bulbagarden, the title will be an "inventive rebirth" of the series, and the development team is "doing their best to exceed every Pokémon game before now."

Anyone else excited? The folks at Nintendo and Game Freak, who have released all past Pokémon games we know and love, are spearheading this project. Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, remakes of Game Boy Color's Gold and Silver, will hit retail in March, and already a brand new title will drop by the end of 2010. No other details have been released.

New Pokémon RPG To Release This Year (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/02/01/new-pokemon-rpg-this-year.aspx)


Just finished reading the comments, seems people want the series to take the MMORPG approach.
Edit: Oops looks like a 5th gen thread has been created already. o w o;;

Not a problem, just moved it.

[Merlin]

I actually do hope they add some more types but the way things are looking for the series they aren't going to add any or at least none anytime soon (that we know of)...

personally i think they should add the light type and then add another to deal with time since they've been adding more pokes to that group for a while...

[zeroality]

They might add new types to 'rock the boat'. I read somewhere that one of the developers said they wanted to take it in a new direction and push the envelope.

[SilentSentinel]

I read somewhere that one of the developers said they wanted to take it in a new direction and push the envelope.

That could mean they are having the main character be black, for all we know XD

[Reliability]

It seems to me that they tend to do that with every new generation. First was dark and steel types, then contests, now the physical/special split. It was always safe to say that the new game would have something special. I hope that it wont be something too gimmicky.

I have a feeling that it might, unfortunately.

[Merlin]

yeah that's possible...
i do know 1 thing tho and that is that they've been working on this since before platinum was even completed over in Japan...
i read somewhere on the nintendo site (i believe but i dont remember may have been a magazine) that they were working on platinum and they said that they were working on the 5th gen games already...
so i know they've been working for a while but what i'm curious about is the name of the games...
what are they going to be???

[SilentSentinel]

Epic news here! Game titles have been revealed!

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ The origional announcement.

‘Pokemon Black’ and ‘Pokemon White’ Announced as the 5th Generation Games! (http://pokebeach.com/2010/04/pokemon-black-and-white-announced-as-fifth-generation-games) What all that japanese crap means.

[zeroality]

That could mean they are having the main character be black, for all we know XD


‘Pokemon Black’ and ‘Pokemon White’ Announced as the 5th Generation Games! (http://pokebeach.com/2010/04/pokemon-black-and-white-announced-as-fifth-generation-games)

I lol'd.

[Cyndadile]

"Pokemon White" could mean light types...

[Quinn]

who knows...that being said, why black and white??? It is too general in my opinion. Also, why go back to colors?

[Reliability]

Perhaps they wanted something simpler? All of the jewels and metals have sounded regal and important. Maybe they want to reconnect with the simplicity that came with the first generation, before they started adding stuff.

I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, but maybe the game will be self-contained: no old Pokemon at all, just the new ones. That's as close to basics as you can get.

[Quinn]

if they do that, that wont get no-where near as many sales. Anyways, though I dont really like the names, has anyone else seen the screen shots in Coro Coro?
http://pokebeach.com/news/0410/corocoro-pokemon-black-white-pokemon-center.jpg
http://pokebeach.com/news/0410/corocoro-pokemon-black-white-zoroark-zorua.jpg
http://pokebeach.com/news/0410/corocoro-pokemon-black-white-starting-town.jpg
I'm only posting these 3 cause I dont wanna over do it, but if u wanna see the others, pokebeach, or serebii. Also, there will hopefully be mre info today on Pokemon Sunday

[SilentSentinel]

the full backsprites really appeal to me. Also, it appears that there are going to be cars in this game based off one of serebii's screenshots.

[ImmunityBow]

Full backsprites are cool, but really difficult to pull off. I wonder how they'll do legendaries.

[SilentSentinel]

It will be tough to fit everything, especially for battles between two large pokemon. On that shot, it doesn't look like there's gonna be a whole lot of room for the hp and exp bars.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0410/corocoro-pokemon-black-white-zoroark-zorua.jpg

See what I mean? It doesnt look like there is a lot of space over to the right of zoroark.

[zeroality]

Posting large images makes me sad.


It will be tough to fit everything, especially for battles between two large pokemon. On that shot, it doesn't look like there's gonna be a whole lot of room for the hp and exp bars.
Maybe enemy hp bar in same place but your own on the second screen along with the fight commands?

[SilentSentinel]

That might be a bit scrunched though... I guess they could make the fight button smaller, but when selecting a move, the choices would take up all the touch screen real estate.

[Silver]

their Japanese names are zorua[the dog] and zoroark[the werewolf] they will be in the new pokemon black and white don't belive me? go to serebii.net and see for yourself.

[Blade Flight]

their Japanese names are zorua[the dog] and zoroark[the werewolf] they will be in the new pokemon black and white don't belive me? go to serebii.net and see for yourself.

Welcome to what we've already known for the past few months! Seriously, read before posting?

[zeroality]

Yes, at least scanning the thread before posting is a good idea.

[Limkins]

Nintendo need to learn from the phrase "Less is more". Seriously fucking allow this 5th gen shit. Another 100+ Pokemons we have to adapt our metagames against now and if they throw more types into it, that's just a piss take. I'm only just starting to bother with DP sets and stuff -_-

[sammy p]

what if they made another type like a wind or air type??
be honest with me does that sound kidna stupid?
cuz i can kinda picture pokemon like the Jumpluff evolution line to have that as a secondary type i guess :/...

[Limkins]

what if they made another type like a wind or air type??
be honest with me does that sound kidna stupid?


Sir, meet Flying type.

[sammy p]

Sir, meet Flying type.
hahahahahahah thats actually the exact answer i was afraid of getting :)

[zeroality]

Air/Wind type is a cool idea but how would you differentiate it from the Flying type? It seems like it would be awfully redundant.

I don't care much about new types but I would like to see a couple be more balanced.

Water and Steel need a reduction in defensive efficiency, Poison needs a boost and Dragon is too overpowered offensively. Bug is actually good if they would just make some more decent Bug Pokemon.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

Poison used to be SE on bug. I could see poison potentially being SE on water as well. I mean poison does contaminate it.

[Cyndadile]

So if the names are "Black" and "White", what's the third? There is "RBY", "GSC", "RSE", "DPPt", and "BW?" Maybe Gray?

[Merlin]

the dragons are highly defensive because of the legends about them...
remember it takes a lot to kill off dragons...
btw--the colors may mean a connected region to Kanto/Johto somewhere or just really close by...
but who knows we'll find out when they actually release info such as who the characters are, what the pokemon are, etc.

[Obtuse]

Anyone else notice the Pokemon Center was on the ground floor of a skyscraper (http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/city-big.jpg)? Or the ground vehicles? (http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/bridge.jpg) We've only seen two ground vehicles in the games ever (the RS moving truck and the truck in Vermillion). It appears that the technology present in Black and White may be slightly ahead of the previous generations. This either signifies a rather large time skip, or this new region is geographically far away from everything else.

Oh, and the entire game appears to be in the same perspective as the lighthouse balcony in HGSS... They better make the controls not feel retarded.

[Merlin]

from analyzing the picture for the battle screen with the full back sprites it may be that the HP bar for the trainer pokemon will be on the bottom of the top screen...
kinda hard to tell since it's not the greatest picture to be looking at for identifying what goes where...
another possibility for the game is that they're making it more realistic...
remember when Ash went to Viridian City in the first or second episode it was huge while the characters in the game went to basically what looked like a village...
so maybe they're making the cities, cities and the towns, towns rather than have villages and towns representing the towns and cities found in the games...
remember in DPPt they increased the size of the icons of the cities and towns so this could be the game that shows them as they're supposed to be but that's just me really...

[Bazero]

I've got an idea for the Flying Type, split it. Wind type and Bird type, Wind having moves like Air Cutter and Bird having Fly or Wing Attack.
Don't know if this has been said yet but anyways. What you guys think?

[Merlin]

it's good but i can't see any reason for having the wind/air type..
it's been taken care of under flying from what i can tell...
adding certain ones such as light, time, space, etc. would be a little understandable since there seem to be more and more pokemon being added to those types...

[ImmunityBow]

I believe you have just hit upon the idea of elegance.

If you can cover two things with one, by all means do so. Note that there isn't a "Grass" type as well as a "Flower" type, even though Floral Storm doesn't exactly fit on every Grass-type, or Cherry Bomb, or even Magical Leaf. This is probably why Pokemon isn't likely to make Light type when there's already Normal...

[SilentSentinel]

Similar to Virus, like Acanthite has. They are in reality much different things, but many probably see it as too similar to Poison.

[Cyndadile]

I believe you have just hit upon the idea of elegance.

If you can cover two things with one, by all means do so. Note that there isn't a "Grass" type as well as a "Flower" type, even though Floral Storm doesn't exactly fit on every Grass-type, or Cherry Bomb, or even Magical Leaf. This is probably why Pokemon isn't likely to make Light type when there's already Normal...

That makes alot of sense, although they probably could have combined rock/ground, poison/grass. They did do that in the card game, I guess.

Despite that, I would like light type.

[Merlin]

same here...
sadly i dont think they will add it because then it might become too confusing to figure out...
(i've found that if anyone were to make a game with all the extra types from all pokemon fansites that there would be about 30 types total...
not counting the duplicate ones...)
but i dont see that adding light would be too much to worry about since that's what ya'll are doing here...

[Bazero]

Do you guys think Zoroark will have a second type? Maybe they could confirm him Dark/Fighting?
In my opinion i wouldn't be surprised if they threw in a middle evolution and made the family the fire starter..

[SilentSentinel]

I heard that starters are going to be revealed officially next weekend, so leaks will probably come out in a few days.

[Limkins]

I reckon if they were pushing boundaries, the starters shouldn't be the usual fire/water/grass, be something like psychic/dark/fighting or whatever. I probably will play this but not competitively, too much now to absorb.

[Quinn]

yah...how ironic would it be if they based 5th gen pokemon off of fan made games....lolz. I know that wouldn't happen, but wouldn't that just be weird?

[OddCrow]

Starter Silhouettes

Took the link down because now everyone has seen the actual starters, and the image was stretching the screen.

-RP

My guesses are

(left to right)
Grass/Fire, Grass/Fire, Water

Newt, ?, Otter

[Bazero]

Maybe the middle one will be some kind of pig, the curly tail.
Type Guesses : Fire/turns Ground, Grass/turns Electric?, Water/Ice or Flying?
They all sorta suit ground type, lizard being on the ground all the time, a pig wallowing in mud, and an otter eating wood - could be grass.
Anyway, I hope they look better than the 4th Generations.

[Quinn]

....so, who else is afraid of another 4th gen. I'm almost sure that it goes (from left to right) fire, grass, and water. The grass looks oddly familiar (turtwig's leaves) I'm really scared about the middle and kinda about the right one. The middle just doesn't look to swell, and the right looks like a cat snowman thingy. Who knows though, they might look freakin pinp, though I'm afraid of another 4th gen...especially with that middle one.

[Obtuse]

The middle one does indeed bear a striking resemblance to Turtwig... But maybe it's reeeally misleading and it'll turn out totally different.

Also, I have a feeling that the left is Water and the right is Fire. Fire in these games doesn't typically come out that sharp, I think that tail is a paddle of some sort.

[Bazero]

New Starters revealed!

The left is grass, middle is fire, right is water.
Could be fake.

Don't link to 4chan.

[SilentSentinel]

There is a very slight chance that those are fake, according to pokebeach. Also, some possible japanese names are going around; Tsutaja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru.

[Quinn]

According to serebii, they have a Coro Coro confirming of the right one being grass, the middle being a fire pig, and the right snowball one is a water.

[Blade Flight]

That's no snowball, that's an otter.

However, despite liking otters to the extreme (as a furry, I AM an otter!), I honestly don't like this one much...the snake and pig, though, are decent, might use firepig...though I wonder if Nintendo will ever use something non-reptilian for their Grass starters.

*hopes for Qwilfish/Mr. Mime/Sudowoodo evos*

[Quinn]

I think they look alright, though I'm kinda disappointed again...

[ImmunityBow]

I like fire pig a lot. It's really cute! The grass starter is also one I'd use. The water starter though...

[OddCrow]

I love the water starter. <3

[Quinn]

lolz. I think it will be a better gen than 4th, though I'm scared at what the final starter evs will look like, and how the story will work.

[HavocWraith]

Oh boy...A pig that lights itself on fire....

[Merlin]

well eventually they're gonna run outta ideas and i hope that either then or a little before they start asking fans for ideas...
but if these are true then i'm gonna go after the otter or the grass one...
(personally i wanna get a different starter other than grass but a few friends of mine and i set up things in such a way that we could get all 3 starters after getting so far through the game and have been doing that for quite a while now...
http://photobucket.com/images/pokemon%20black%20and%20white/going here shows not only a pic of the 3 starters (the link above didn't work when i clicked it..) and someones fan drawing...
u can disable it later if need be...

[HavocWraith]

Oh! its an otter?

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

I hope the otter ends up turning badass.

[Quinn]

same here, since normally I always choose water. As my sig says.
Has anyone seen the battle sceme? same with some prerelease pics? I really like the battles. They are going to be fun (though I dont like how they are using platinums entei sprite instead of HG SS) I dont know if it is just the pics, but I also dont like when people are "close" to the screen, they go pixely.
that being said, check out the videos today.

[sammy p]

personally, they ALL look great!! except the one i prolly wont use is the grass type again.... ive never really liked grass types like water and fire..... the fire pig was a crazy idea i personally didnt see coming, and the sea otter looks cute! but like i keep saying, i love them all

[zeroality]

Linking to 4chan = bad.

[Quinn]

whats 4chan?

[zeroality]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan


4chan is an English-language imageboard website (which has various boards, including /b/).


Douglas said of the board, "reading /b/ will melt your brain", and cited Encyclopedia Dramatica's definition of /b/ as "the a**hole of the Internet".[3] Matthias Schwartz of The New York Times likened /b/ to "a high-school bathroom stall, or an obscene telephone party line",[29] while Baltimore City Paper wrote that "in the high school of the Internet, /b/ is the kid with a collection of butterfly knives and a locker full of porn."[13] Wired describes /b/ as "notorious".

I just don't want people to find offensive content on /b/ via a 4chan link and say they got it from Pokemon Topaz. Other than the occasional swear word, this is a kid-friendly website/forum.

[HavocWraith]

humm. interesting....

[Bazero]

Oh sorry guys, didn't even realize, it was just a picture, it wasn't a link to 4chan.

[tyking16]

Oh boy...A pig that lights itself on fire....

Who would've thought that oe of the 5th gen starters would be food that can cook itself?

For the guys that think the starters look... suckish. You have to remember something, final evolutions!

Speaking of which, I bet my money that Pokabu ends up being some huge boar.

[SilentSentinel]

Yeah, you can't really tell how they are until the final evos. I am hoping that Mijumaru sees some improvement though, as it's my least favorite one right now.

[tyking16]

Yeah, you can't really tell how they are until the final evos. I am hoping that Mijumaru sees some improvement though, as it's my least favorite one right now.

I personally find it the best out of the three. Although I have no idea on what they could do for a final evo though.

[Quinn]

I can't wait to see the water final, and I'm actually kinda amped about the grass one too.

[HavocWraith]

I still want the fire pig, he's cute

[Merlin]

they all look weird compared to the others....
course then again pokemon's kinda weird to begin with....
hopefully they'll have good final evos and that can help me with finding which starter I want...

[zeroality]

Fire Pig evolved into Bacon!

[tyking16]

Fire Pig evolved into Bacon!

And Bacon evolves into Cured Ham!

[Quinn]

nummy!!!! lets hope the trainers dont get hungry. "who was your starter". "I can't remember, I ate him"

[SilentSentinel]

I wonder what they are going to do for the Alt-Colored Entei, Suicune, and Raikou in the U.S? In Japan they are doing it for people who go see the movie, but they don't show the movies here, and apparently you have to transfer them over from HG/SS to get Zororark.

[Quinn]

just might be as of some of the other events. Pichu was with gamestop, and Regi was with Toys R Us (I never got him cause of that).

[Merlin]

toys r us has had every pokemon event in america....
and yes a very pain since you can't get certain pokemon if u don't have one of those stores in ur city...

[Quinn]

yep. My point exactly. (though not EVERY event, just most.)

[Silver]

holy shit!!! the cover legends are on serebii already and they are awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!:):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

[tyking16]

So far, the Black legendary seems cooler. The White is probably a Psychic type unless Pokemon added a Light type.

[ImmunityBow]

The legends... wow! They finally backed off from the megatron-no-emotion designs! The new legends look like they could actually express something!

[Silver]

i know they are a pair of masterpieces!!!eeeeeek!!!
sniff:)

[SilentSentinel]

I like these two a lot more than I like Dialga and Palkia when I first saw them. These ones are awesome without having to have a lot of uneeded colors and designs.

[Quinn]

I think they look "murder-ass"
I also now believe they just might add the light type. I mean seriously, what is that white one gonna be other wise? Psychic? Normal?

[zeroality]

More Dragons in Ubers? Man, only Steel resists that.

[Quinn]

yah, dragons are most always legendary. Except a small few. I cant wait to see what the other types are though, and this difference between games. (I think its going to be storyline or maybe even a place)

[Zenith]

It just would seem weird if Reshiram didn't end up part Light, with the whole angel motif.

[tyking16]

Wow. B&W may have more pokemon that are opposites of others. The legendaries, Lucario and Zoroark (they seem a lot like opposites), I'm wondering if they'll add more.

I think the difference will be Pokemon (duh) and the trainers you battle. The levels for both games will be the same but the type of trainer and pokemon will be different. Of course that won't happen but meh.

[Cyndadile]

They look AWESOME!

[Cranky Guy]

There is a possibility I repeat, POSSIBILITY, that Zekrom is actually a dragon and electric type. I know that Reshiram looks like the light type, but it could be a different type. The first time I saw Dialga, I thought it was a dark type.

[Quinn]

yah I heard on one of the sites that Reshiram could be a dragon fire. It seems reasonable since its tail, but I'm kinda hopin' not.

[Merlin]

maybe it's just me but Zekrom kinda looks like a metal gear from the metal gear series...
though that may just be because i've kinda been focusing on the game series for a while...
All i can say is they better have some good pokemon in there to be able to tear down other teams...
(check FRLG as having been pretty good in doing that since you could have an all legendary team---though i'm certain RSE did the same thing)

[AndyIsABeast]

serebii.net has the full details. They even got the new battle system.

[tyking16]

Link: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

Pokemon Black and White news:
Reshiram (the angelic looking one) is A Dragon and Fire type. This is the first time that this combination has been seen. Zekrom has an even mroe original combination being the first Dragon/Electric type.

The only way to obtain Zorua is to send over the Celebi obtained from the new movie event. It is lv.10

The new professor is a female, a first I might add, and her name is Dr. Araragi.

Also, there are new pokemon.

The first released pokemon is Chiramii, the Chinchilla pokemon. Dr. Araragi owns this pokemon. It is a Normal type and it can have the abilities of Cute Charm and Technician. This pokemon has a move called Sweep Slap that can hit the opponent consecutively. I think it's Doubleslap.

The next pokemon is another pig pokemon called Munna. It's a Psychic type and is known as the Dream Eater pokemon. It can have the abilities of Forewarn and Synchronise. It has a move called Telekinesis. I think it's something like Confusion based off of the description it gave.

The next pokemon is a dual cog pokemon. The name for it is Gear (how original). It's a pure Steel type and can have the abilities of Plus and Minus. It brings in a new attack called Gear Saucer, which attacks multiple times.

Next is Mamepato, the Baby Pigeon pokemon. It's a Normal/Flying type and has the abilities of Super Luck and a new one called Pigeon Heart, which seems to prevent it's Defense from being lowered.

Next is an ape like pokemon called Hihidaruma, and it's a Fire type. It has a new ability called Encourage. Before I forget, it is the Flaming pokemon.

There is also a Zebra pokemon called Shimama, and it's the Charged pokemon. If you can't tell, it's an Electric type. It's abilities are Lightningrod and Motor Drive. It has a new attack called Wild Bolt that damages itself and the opposing pokemon.

There is a Crocodile pokemon called Meguroko, it's the Desert Crocodile pokemon. It has the unique combination is Dark/Ground. It's abilities are Intimidate and Earthquake Spiral, which is supposed to raise it's Attack when the opponent pokemon is KOed.

[Blade Flight]

Shimama sounds like a Stribra ripoff...but Gear is EPICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC. Always loved those inanimate object Pokemon, I did...

[zeroality]

Earthquake Spiral sounds interesting as an ability. +1 atk each time you KO a Pokemon? If Game Freak does it right, that could be a beastly Pokemon to deal with.

[tyking16]

I forgot a few things.

The Reshiram has an ability called Turboblaze and is the White Yang pokemon.
Zekrom has a new ability called Terra Voltage and is the Black Yin pokemon.

So basically, no key legendaries have Pressure so far (Hallelujah).

Zoroark has a new attack called Nightburst.

There is somethng involving Global Terminals but I think they deal with wi-fi.

[tyking16]

New info:

Pokemon Centers and PokeMarts are now merged.

You can now "Save" pokedex pages by selecting them with "Y". With this, you can visit numerous pages, use registered items, etc.

And the biggest thing of all, you can now upload your Pokemon Black and White save file onto the Internet and play the game there. When you're done, you can then send your file back to your DS. No one knows what Game Freak plans to do with this, except that there will be a website built on Black and White's release just for this function.

[Cranky Guy]

Oh great, another pokemon with more than one freaky head!

White yin and black yang? (not sure if thats right) Can they have another pokemon to join with Reshiram and Zekrom? Im pretty sure that yin and yang dont have thirds. The third gen had Raquaza, Groudon and Kyogre while the fourth gen had dialga, palkia and giratina.

P.S: GAME FREAK HAS STARTED TO USE THE DUMB LOOKING SPRITES AGAIN!

P.S.S: Zekrom's battle sprite ROCKS! (I like the cool blue thingymabob and the end of it's head crest thingy.)

[Quinn]

more than one head? what?
I read this rumor on pokebeach that there might be a freaky green snakelike thing that goes with them. I personally think there should be a murderass lookin grey one that has the ice or steel dragon

[tyking16]

more than one head? what?
I read this rumor on pokebeach that there might be a freaky green snakelike thing that goes with them. I personally think there should be a murderass lookin grey one that has the ice or steel dragon

I wouldn't believe that rumor. The guy that posted that rumor lost virtually all of his credibility. There will probably be a third legendary that has something to do with "balance" seeing as this deals with Yin and Yang.

[Quinn]

He lost his credibility? This is the same dude that said the Minotauros? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[tyking16]

He lost his credibility? This is the same dude that said the Minotauros? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yup. E3 destroyed his chances as of late. That also means there's a good chance of the no 150 new pokemon :(

[Quinn]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. the only sad thing about it is yah, maybe 150 new, but there will be a decent amount for sure. (I didn't know he said those would be confirmed at e3 though)

[zeroality]

I knew that rumor was false as soon as I read "Minotauros". Pokebeach should never have posted it.

[tyking16]

I knew that rumor was false as soon as I read "Minotauros". Pokebeach should never have posted it.

The only reason they posted it was because the person who told them that was a credible source. He ran a Zelda site and usually posted insider-info on past games that happened to be correct.

[Cranky Guy]

a giant, freaky, green snakelike thing could be tsutaja's evolution, ya know.

[tyking16]

True but since the guy that started the rumor said that it was a Legendary, I don't think so.

[Merlin]

i'm actually kinda curious about something with the new game...
is it gonna be for the ds, the dsi or the new system to be released the 3ds???
reasons i ask are because they've been known to add more things according to the latest system and the fact that the dsi has a camera and the 3ds gives off a 3d effect of the visuals...

[tyking16]

The game was confirmed to be for the DS and DSi. But, since the 3DS has backwards compatibility, you can play it on there too.

Also, more on Zoroark's Illusion ability. The pokemon it "transforms" into is the second pokemon in your party. It changes into the shape of that pokemon and it's name is changed as well. It still retains it's Dark type but IDK if it uses the moves of the copied pokemon.

[Cyndadile]

Bring only one pokemon, then. Or an egg in slot 2. That would make for an easy battle.

[SilentSentinel]

Wow, that has the potential to be really annoying in comptetive play. One more thing psychic type OU mon will have to watch out for, a sure KO on a machamp can now become a disaster from a Night Burst.

[Quinn]

lolz...EGG used dark burst

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Have a magikarp slot 2. Easy capture ftw.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

I wonder how it works if you switch a bunch of times. like does it stay on or turn back to the regular sprite?

[Cyndadile]

WHAT? 3 on 3 battles?

I'm thinking, all 3 starters would be a good group.

[Cranky Guy]

That mantis pokemon looks good.

[Quinn]

and what I can see of the drilling mole

[SilentSentinel]

Some of the others are horrible though. On that pic with the three unnamed pokes, I like the middle one, the one on the left looks more like a cartoon thing from Invader ZIM, and the one on the right... let's just all agree not to talk about that one ever again.

I wonder how they are going to fit three backsprites plus hp bars on each side and still have room for animations. There will probably be a lot of zooming for those battles.

[Cyndadile]

4 more leaked today... 2 of them might be evolutions of the starters.

[SilentSentinel]

Wut, bat pokemon to replace Zubat? Looks like a Koffing with wings imo.

The two starter like things look like the middle ones. I am dissapointed with Tsutaja's middle evo then. I had hoped it would develop a little more, but maybe the final will rectify this.

[Quinn]

That bat thing looks funny. But yah, there is the middle Grass starter, Water starter (I think) which actually looks pretty good), the bat, and something that has a horn like thingy out the back of his head.

[Cyndadile]

Can we please agree to say water/fire/grass starter instead of the japanese names? They confuse me...

[Quinn]

exactly. Some of those names sound like total tounge twisters.

[Cyndadile]

I'm going to nickname my Gear pokemon Giaru though, cuz it sounds AWESOME.

[tyking16]

The 4 pokemon confirmed are:

Some Bat thing who looks like a Koffing/Zubat lovechild whose name I forgot
Some dino thing
The Grass Starter's Evolved form, who has shorter arms.
And the Water Starter's evo who has fighting gear.

For anyone who said that the water starter was ugly, his evo will kick your butt. Thank goodness I chose him :D

[Quinn]

For anyone who said that the water starter was ugly, his evo will kick your butt. Thank goodness I chose him :D

exactly. Water all the way.

[Zenith]

Agreed. The water starter's second stage looks a lot better, and definitely looks a little like a martial artist (or maybe that's just the design on his hands that make them look like gauntlets). Water/Fighting >>> Water/Ice.

On the other hand, the grass starter's evo doesn't really give away anything about a secondary type...

[Cranky Guy]

I had a hunch that the water starters evo would be fighting. Grass starter is still my favourite. Even if it's pure grass, I still like it.

[tyking16]

Agreed. The water starter's second stage looks a lot better, and definitely looks a little like a martial artist (or maybe that's just the design on his hands that make them look like gauntlets). Water/Fighting >>> Water/Ice.

Considering that he has gaunlet like hands and is supposedly fighting gear, then you should have no worry about Mijumaru being a Water/Fighting.

I'm thinking that Tsutaja may end up Grass/Flying. Someone on Pokebeach did say the evo of him had smaller arms.

[Silver]

nah.. grass may become rock because
shorter arms? t-rex?ancient?
thats just the feeling i get
fiya is awsome!oink!oink!

[tyking16]

There may be two new pokemon besides the ones released yesterday. One look somewhat like Larvitar (and it's the pokemon from the anime too), and the other is a green monkey thing. Now for the actual released pokemon, Nezumimi is going to have some emphasis on it's ears.

Is anyone else hoping that the 4-Way Videophone thing works out?

[Zenith]

I'm thinking that Tsutaja may end up Grass/Flying. Someone on Pokebeach did say the evo of him had smaller arms.
I can see that. Grass/Flying is rare as a typing (Tropius and the Hoppip line, and they're basically never used competitively), and they could give his final evo a Quetzalcoatl motif.

...4-Way Videophone?

And you know what Koromori reminds me of? Remember those Enigma enemies from Super Mario RPG?

[Cyndadile]

Calling it now: Trainer default names: Blake and Whitney.

Probably not, actually.

[tyking16]

I'm loving Koromori. I just wonder what that monkey thing is if it's a pokemon. Anyone else wanting to guess that the larvitar-esque pokemon evolves into that giant reptillian pokemon whose name I completely forgot?

[Quinn]

Ironicly when you said dinosaur, I thought at 1st part of acanthites dino.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/PokemonAcanthite/496.png

[Merlin]

well from what i've seen it's gonna be insane if they pull of the 3-on-3 battles...
for something like that i'd modify the game in those battles to take up both screens and give it the old advanced style battle system...
or they could modify it so that 2 are on the top screen and 1's on the bottom in one-half the screen and give the battle controls for them in the other half...
anyway it looks complicated so i wonder how they're gonna do this game.... (especially considering it's gonna practically be all 3d unlike the advanced games....)

[Quinn]

It not 3d. Its for the DS (possibly only DSi) Yah, I'm not sure how they will pull it off.

[tyking16]

Mamepato's possible evo is epic.

[Cranky Guy]

That monkey thing looks like Zakumi, the mascot for the fifa world cup!

[Zenith]

Serebii (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml) has a new sihlouette. Just throwing this out there, but it looks kind of like a bald eagle.

[tyking16]

Minezumi is actually a ticked off Alvin the chipmunk, calling it now :p

[Quinn]

that war bird...it LOOKS HOT!!!! It also has a cool new move that it picks up the enemy and throws them down to the ground the next turn.

[Cyndadile]

Yeah, that move looks awesome. Like a mix of Fly and Seismic Toss.

[Merlin]

that right there is epic...
btw i'm gonna royally wail on the person who thought hey lets make 3-d glasses and also call specific video game graphics 3d...
@ quinn: i meant 3d as in N64/GCN/Wii, etc. not with the red/blue eye killers...
and update for it 'not' being on the 3DS---actually it's gonna be for all 3...
it's gonna use the cameras from the DSi/3DS and it's gonna use something else from the 3DS but that's gonna be crazy so i hope i can get ahold of a DS lite (for my GBA games to connect with the DS games) and either a DSi or a 3DS (hopefully a 3DS) so that i can play B&W...

[Quinn]

yeah. If I remember right, it can play one all DS's, but on the DSi and 3DS there would be a video confrence thingy. Along with the weird C gear, when you walk by someone. Idk how that will work though.

[Merlin]

neither do i nor am i gonna start guessing at it anytime soon...
that right there is Nintendo asking for you to buy more of their crap...
it's alright and all but for them to have to make you go out and buy a dsi or a 3ds just so you can access the rest of a game is them being greedy...
i personally think they should've just made HGSS for the dsi and then make this one for the 3ds and get it over with...
their backwords compatibility is beginning to get insane....
(now if they can make a system designed to play gameboy, gbc, gba, ds, dsi and 3ds games that'd be cool...)
(also does anybody know what the name of the next console system is gonna be??? i hope its not a continuation of the wii it disappointed lots a people down here...)

[Cyndadile]

Next console won't be out for a long while.

[Quinn]

I've heard about wii HD.

[Merlin]

oh boy that's gonna be fun...
i hope they change the name of it though...
well i just checked serebii.net and nothing new on the games today maybe tomorrow???
really i'll just be glad when the danged thing just comes out in america....

[Cyndadile]

So, if there are version exclusive areas, and other areas look different in the different versions...

What will they do in Pokemon Grey?

Maybe (hopefully) have BOTH White Forest AND Black City?

[Silver]

So, if there are version exclusive areas, and other areas look different in the different versions...

What will they do in Pokemon Grey?

Maybe (hopefully) have BOTH White Forest AND Black City?

nice thinkin

[Quinn]

the question for that would be where would they both go? Same with the cities that are the same, but have different styles.

[Cyndadile]

2 different timelines?

[Merlin]

if there are going to be version exclusive areas then that may mean either:
a) grey's region layout's gonna change drastically to add everything
or
b) grey's gonna have a 3rd version exlcusive group of areas designed to allow access to things that might be in the 1st 2 versions...

though now i'd like to know is y are they adding version exlcusive areas to the game???

[SilentSentinel]

Simple, it gives people more incentive to buy both versions, and adds more content in general.

[Cyndadile]

...but more the first one.

[Eve]

More of a challenge I suppose. I wasn't here for the entire conversation, and I can't find the beginning so I'll go off of what I've heard so far.

They would make version exclusive areas to make it harder to get some items/Pokemon. Also they could make more money off of it because people would have to buy both versions. They are going to make more money off of B/W anyway because of all of the new features. I may even buy both of them for myself anyway it looks that good.

[SilentSentinel]

...but more the first one.

Of course. Before, the only incentive to get both was the exclusive pokemon, which is no longer a problem due to global trading. Making version exclusive areas means that you can't get all the content from one game. You can't trade a city (Unless that's some new feature too).

[Eve]

That'd be kinda cool. :P

[Cyndadile]

I'm going to wait for #3, I think. And unless they have a NEW area, that is probably the best option.

I can't believe pokemon don't follow you in Black and White...

Edit: Actually I can, I just wish that they would.

[Eve]

Pokemon don't follow you in B/W? That's odd...

[Quinn]

many updates.

Freaky Possible Luvdisc evo.

Victini: Pokemon with "V" shaped ears. Same one that waves at end of Zourark show.

New Deer pokemon: *maybe possible prevo to Stantler

Evo of Minezumi (mole pokemon) is called Miruhoggu look like mole-ferrets

Possible Stork Pokemon (Almost completely confirmed)

AWESOME lookin autumn area

Team Plasma

Demo revealed (that japanese chick actually looks "not - funny" lookin in the video. In fact...she looks pretty "decent ;)"

*Pokebeach and serebii.

[Merlin]

i follow serebii mostly...
tho i kinda wonder about the legendary trio?
i really hope it's not a same type trio cause that was kinda lame with uxie, mesprit and azelf...
i know they're good and all but dang a lot of legends in PDP...

[Blade Flight]

Oh, lord, not an evo for Pachirisu, plox...

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8827/emonga.jpg

Emonga can take the first three letters of its name and go cut itself...this thing screams to me "WE RAN OUT OF DESIGN PEOPLE!"

[ImmunityBow]

Flying squirrel? At least Electric/Flying isn't Zapdos' monopoly anymore.

[tyking16]

Oh, lord, not an evo for Pachirisu, plox...

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8827/emonga.jpg

Emonga can take the first three letters of its name and go cut itself...this thing screams to me "WE RAN OUT OF DESIGN PEOPLE!"

It's most likely not a Pachirisu evo as much as it is the cute Electric type of the region.

Another thing is I highly suspect that there will be a smal ammount of evos of past pokemon considering how it was confirmed that there will be only 5th gen pokemon in the pre-E4 story.

[neon.Barnacle]

Being able to put on Pokemon musicals is perhaps the best feature revealed yet. I can't wait to see Mewtwo, Tyranitar, Salamence, and Metagross wearing top hats.


Also, serebii just revealed that TMs are now reusable.

[SilentSentinel]

They also revealed that Sturdy is no longer a piece of crap ability. It is basically a Focus Sash in ability form, which means that Gigaiasu will be awesome if its stats aren't total crap. This change will likely have a major effect on the metagame.

[Silver]

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/nathanplunkett/water2.jpg
another empoleon!

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/nathanplunkett/grass2.jpg
another sceptile!

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/nathanplunkett/fire2.jpg
another typhlosion!


thank you serebii! :):):):)

[Silver]

i am so pickin' the same thing i did in dppt
WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

Those arent fully confirmed yet.

[Silver]

but everything said so far is true

[Silver]

have you guys heard the rumours about basurao, kibago and tabunne yet?

[Merlin]

that fire one looks like an advanced Magmortar...
wow also looks like there's another caterpie/weedle...

[SilentSentinel]

The following evidence has led me to believe that the "starter evos" shown on serebii are almost guaranteed to be fake.

"These are sooo fake, I can name at plenty of reasons why they are:

http://dsultimate.net/Board/upload/uploads/1276644468/gallery_1_2_23931.png(here is the anime leak for comparison)

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.jpg
Wotter's 2nd Stage:

-THE MOUTH, if you look in the anime leak, it's curved like this: "3", in the evolution's art-in-question the mouth was incorrectly made a "<", which is the way Wotter's mouth is designed, also the ears are too big and a bit more pointy.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.jpg
Smugleaf's 2nd Stage:

-The shading, look on the abdomen, in the anime leak the shading only extends to the feet, while in the artwork being discussed it goes all the way across.
-The darker green near the eye ends in a point that goes downwards in the anime leak, where as in this it curls back, also it gets closer to the lip in the anime leak than it does in the rumored image.
-A WHOLE LINE is missing in it's collar, in the anime leak a "crease" directly in the center of each of the visible neck appendage.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.jpg
Baycon's 2nd Stage:

-Nothing I can really point out as false, though the transition from a ball tail to a puffy one doesn't make sense . . . . .
-THE SECOND FINGER ON THE RIGHT HAND IS INCORRECTLY COLORED YELLOW

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.jpg
Wotter's 3rd Stage:


. . . seriously, do you see ANY relevance between the two designs? At all? All of the past starter 3rd stages were easily traceable to their pre-evolution, this looks nothing like the 2nd stage, and, more importantly doesn't look like a Pokémon. I'd say it looks like something from Digimon or even something Square would create, but not Game Freak.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.jpg
Smugleaf's 3rd Stage

-Color change seems drastic, especially when compared to previous starters.
-No reason to lose arms and legs, in fact it's movepool would be hurt by such disappearances . . . .

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.jpg
Baycon's 3rd Stage

-Looks NEAR EXACTLY like Rypherior:

-Notice how the "elbows", tail, finger amount, toe amount and placement, and the location of the band on the torso are very similar?
-The "thumbs" don't align properly, the one on it's right hand is further back than the one on the left.
-Design on the torso doesn't align properly with the center of it's body
-The "elbows" don't align properly, the one on it's right arm points outward while the one on it's left points inward.
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q419/Joshidreamwalker/StarterFake.jpg

[Cyndadile]

Yeah, I thought they were fakes too. I liked them, though...

[Zenith]

They were good fakes, though.

[totodileman]

I just saw they are fake....grrr.....I really wanted the water one

[SilentSentinel]

That stuff I posted is mostly conjecture, but it seems pretty convincing. I guess we won't really find out until the games are actually released.

[SilentSentinel]

Double post, sue me.


"In the article, Sugimori explained that Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru's final evolutions had been divided into Western, Chinese, and Japanese designs, respectively. He elaborated especially on Mijumaru's final evolution, noting that he tried "blending a sea otter and a sea lion," and made "the shell on Mijumaru's stomach into a sword (katana)."

So yeah, those were fake. But you water starter people can't honestly complain about a Katana.

[Zenith]

**** YEAH, SHELL KATANA

I guess that basically confirms that it's Water/Fighting, like most people were thinking/wanting.

[Cyndadile]

Lots of new pokemon today.. I like the sarcophagus guy, and... is that a Tauros evolution?

[SilentSentinel]

I liked the sarcophagus guy, but they ruined him by making him pure ghost. ITS A COFFIN. Ghost/Rock or Ghost/Ground should be a given.

[Silver]

what was that about the starter evos bein' fake rage?

[Cyndadile]

There was already concept art for the 2nd evos, so anyone could have made those. The 3rd evos will give it away. I hope that they are real, though.

[SilentSentinel]

what was that about the starter evos bein' fake rage?

Ah, you must not have seen this yet:


http://i52.tinypic.com/24wrrzd.jpg


So as you can see, there's still some doubt. Those probably are the second evos, since its actually just been shown that those beta artworks have been around for a long time. The third evos are the ones that I'm really having a hard time believing, and Pokabu2's typing still technically has not been confirmed yet, as that information was on the fake page.

[Silver]

the japenese read right to left?
man that must be hard
also did you make that text?
and you really hate those evo's don't you?

[SilentSentinel]

Yes, the Japanese read right to left. It's not hard for them because they have been doing it since they were born.

I didn't make the text, the member of Bulbapedia who spotted the difference did.

Also, I don't really hate them that much. I like the grass final just fine. I just think that it is weird that the water one looks so different from Sugi's quote. I see no shell katana. The other thing I dislike is that gamefreak apparently cannot think of a type combo besides fire/fighting for the fire starter. Part of me wants to believe that they would be original. If those evos were the confirmed ones but Pokabu's typing was something besides Fire/Fighting (And maybe a second type for Tsutaja3 to give it a chance for OU), then I would be just fine.

[totodileman]

fire fighting sucks. Fire ground or something.

[Merlin]

they royal screwed up the way pokemon worked when they switched stuff from RSE to PDP or at least according to my sister anyway. personally we need another water dual type rather than a fire dual type.

[Zenith]

What really bugs me is that they went with the typings that have been the most common with the starters. Seriously:
-Grass: one Grass/Poison, one Grass/Ground, two pure Grass
-Fire: one Fire/Flying, one pure Fire, one Fire/Fighting
-Water: one Water/Ground, one Water/Steel, two pure Water

And did they really make another Fire/Fighting line just so people who didn't know what they were doing would have a type advantage in the second gym? Really? Is that the reason they aren't Fire/Dark?

On the other hand, there's been some good stuff. Pretty mixed.

[Merlin]

yeah...
but the problem is when they changed things up the way they did in PDP...
they changed it from the types determining if they were physical/special to the moves having been predetermined....
i like it i just think they should've done that sometime ago like at least RSE/FRLG if not GSC...
my sister just about hates what they did there...
i don't mind it but they should realize that when they do this flaws and holes are going to be found in the series if they aren't careful plus tons of programming would have to be thoroughly searched to keep the old programming out even if they did write new code sets from scratch for the games...

I just hope they can explain certain things in this series in a way that it won't start opening up plot-holes... (btw tis fun to drive trucks into plot-holes)

[totodileman]

This is just sad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUD7thPctQ&feature=player_embedded
some are uber for it...it looks not too good

[SilentSentinel]

I'd actually like it if that was real; less of a kiddy image with the guns and stuff. I'd probably go see it.

[NyteFyre]

I'm not sure how I would feel about that. It might be good to see, as long as it has a good plot, that isn't totally ruined by Hollywood edits.

[ImmunityBow]

I feel that Pokemon: The First Movie, was already good enough to be appreciated at an adult-level. D:

I'm also already drawing the comparisons between this and DB: Evolution, which was really bad.

[Silver]

rage
i was right

[SilentSentinel]

Indeed, which is why I will be boxing my starter seeing as they all suck, in both appearance and base stats. Its a good thing there are so many other good choices.

Ononokusu, for example. Base 147 attack and base 97 speed is devastating. It's guaranteed to be top OU and may even pull Garchomp back down.
Aaekosu sports base 140 attack, base 112 special attack, and base 110 speed. It will likely be one of the most dominant glass cannons ever.
Zororark has some interesting mixed capabilities with it and a good speed stat.

There are many other pokemon who should be great based on their stats.

As expected, the metagame will be shifted intensely. With the amount of super-high attacking stats, there will be an even greater focus on speed than D/P, and tanking will almost cease to exist. I predict that Snorlax will leave OU, and Blissey will be the only true wall left.

[ImmunityBow]

97 base speed is just short of enough, I think. What made Garchomp so broken was really the 102 speed that outclasses the HUGE 100 tier. If you don't break 100, it's not enough, if you do, it's more than enough. Ononokusu's dominance really depends on its HP or having an exploitable typing or defense.

Aaekosu seems really minimaxed, that's better than Latios even...

I guess Nintendo realized that most little kids love having 4 attack Pokemon with nearly no support, I really hope the metagame doesn't just extend upon what D/P did. (D/P did have some stall team dominance in some areas)

[Silver]

without a doubtmy team will be:
daikenki
kojondo
warubiaru
doryuuzu
ononokusu
aakeosu

it may be shit but i'll manage