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MewLoverEX
02-22-10, 04:21 AM
Okay. Let's try this again.

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/profwillow-1.png

Posted this a little while ago, and was told that Professor Willow is female. Blame it on the massive amounts of cake and ice cream I've had today or the lack of sleep, but I sprited the above image with the Professor in mind. In my defense, I would like to cite the Topaz storyline:


With new hope of finding your friend, you set out. Realizing that, in this day and age with so much violence on Team Rocket's part, it would be foolish to go without your own Pokemon. Luckily, Pokemon expert Professor Willow recently moved to Neo Bay and keeps large numbers of Pokemon in [b]his lab.

Am I losing it?

Please don't point out the obvious failure of a mod that can't remember the Professor's gender. Just point me in the right direction.

ImmunityBow
02-22-10, 04:37 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Professor Willow was originally supposed to be a man, but then for gender balance and also because Willow just sounds like a woman's name, it was decided the Prof. was to be a woman.

Anyway, for the sprite, I can't help but get the feeling that the legs are popping out and the lab coat is behind them. Is there anything you can do to fix that?

Mediocrity_Incarnate
02-22-10, 04:54 AM
You could make that into the topaz version of the scientist though.

MewLoverEX
02-22-10, 11:28 PM
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/scientist1.png

Any better?

Working on sprite for Willow. Thanks for telling me.

Cyndadile
02-23-10, 01:22 AM
That looks great!

ZaCarrot
02-23-10, 03:16 AM
Just slap some breasts on it, give it a ponytail, and call it a day. It could pass for female.

neon.Barnacle
02-23-10, 05:32 AM
That arm holding the Pokeball looks a little wonky, maybe have it bend inwards?

Also the outline could be a tad lighter.

MewLoverEX
02-25-10, 02:38 AM
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/scientist2.png

?

Also...

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/willow1.png

ImmunityBow
02-25-10, 03:51 AM
Looks good, but another thing: when you make a splice, can you show which sprites were the inspiration? Thanks.

SilentSentinel
02-25-10, 06:19 AM
Wow, that one is really good.

neon.Barnacle
02-25-10, 07:09 AM
The face is taken directly from Cynthia's sprite. Still, that's not too obvious of a splice, except for the fact that the rest of her resembles Cynthia as well. You should edit the face a little, then either change her hair or change her costume.

zeroality
02-25-10, 08:49 AM
The female sprite is really nice.

ImmunityBow
02-26-10, 01:52 AM
I think I can make an edit that's not too obvious. I've done it before...

Reliability
02-27-10, 02:10 PM
The pokeball is deformed. It's kinda oblong instead of circluar.

Quinn
02-28-10, 09:21 PM
so are u using the cynthia one? If so, like the people above said, some quick changes and it will look great. Or are u gonna make the dude a chick?

MewLoverEX
03-04-10, 02:55 AM
Edited the hair and face.

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/willow2.png

Reliability
03-04-10, 03:10 AM
It doesn't look very lab-coaty right now, and I think we're still going with that kind of look. It dosen't have a pocket or anything, so that might help. It may also be that it's too form fitting and needs to be more... blocky. Perhaps if it wasn't done up more like your male one...? Not sure if that made any sense but in essence it looks more like a gym leader or something than a scientist/professor IMO.

MewLoverEX
03-04-10, 03:42 AM
I was going for a new spin on the traditional lab coat look. But if that's what we're looking for, then:

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/willow3.png

neon.Barnacle
03-04-10, 04:50 AM
Wait a minute, is the professor going to be available for battle in the game, or do we only need a sprite for the opening intro? If it's the latter, then the professor shouldn't be a normal trainer sprite at all.

ImmunityBow
04-07-10, 11:42 PM
Didn't see neon's comment for a while. It might be a cool idea to actually battle Professor Willow sometime during the game.

But yes, having a larger intro sprite would probably be better. But do we have anyone who actually works on that scale? I can try, though it'll take me a while.

MewLoverEX
04-08-10, 01:50 AM
Which size are we going for? Not really sure how to go about this.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/ultiverse/jumbowillow.png
Bigger? Smaller?

zeroality
04-08-10, 02:10 AM
Try 140 height. I just compared screen sizes (with the Emerald intro, extrapolating for the size of the game in RMXP) and it should fit at 140 tall.

I realize pixel art at that size is difficult but there are quite a few problems I can see. Let's try resizing it and see what it comes out to.

ImmunityBow
04-08-10, 02:23 AM
I feel that if we're going to both with making a pixel-art intro sprite it may as well be in a pose that is suited for that one (such as Prof. Oak's). I'll sketch up something quick on the train tomorrow and will somehow turn it either into digital or pixel art. If it's digital then all that's needed is a pixel-over, anyhow.

ImmunityBow
04-10-10, 11:05 PM
Here it is! I think this is a good start, though the concept is different from yours, MewLover.

It's about 120 tall, which is about 12 pixels shorter than Professor Oak.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4627/willowintro.png

I'm especially proud of the hair. I've never quite managed to do anything with hair before, and here I did it!

zeroality
04-11-10, 12:57 AM
I like it and the hair does look good! Something bothers me about her left foot though, it seems to stick inwards in an awkward pose while her right is facing a different (and more natural) angle. The right foot does actually look good in the way that it faces the direction that the character is facing.

Obtuse
04-11-10, 01:37 AM
Something feels weird about the face. The eyes seem slightly off, and the shading near the bottom looks weird. For some reason I got a Socialite vibe from it (I think it's the mouth... maybe it's just me):

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dptr/dptr070.png

Other than that, it looks pretty good to me.

X-Antibody
04-11-10, 04:05 AM
Something feels weird about the face. The eyes seem slightly off, and the shading near the bottom looks weird. For some reason I got a Socialite vibe from it (I think it's the mouth... maybe it's just me):

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dptr/dptr070.png

Other than that, it looks pretty good to me.

I agree that the face seems off. It doesn't look Pokémon-styled enough to me for some reason.
I could take a swing at it.

X-Antibody
04-11-10, 06:51 AM
http://i39.tinypic.com/25aj3nd.png
yes/no?
I borrowed elements from both MewLoverEX and ImmunityBow. It's in Prof. Rowan's Intro Sprite's style (or as close to it as possible)

Black Temple Gaurdian
04-11-10, 07:58 AM
I like it and the hair does look good! Something bothers me about her left foot though, it seems to stick inwards in an awkward pose while her right is facing a different (and more natural) angle. The right foot does actually look good in the way that it faces the direction that the character is facing. TBH I HATE feet like that. It's retardedly over-emphasised pigeon-footed. I never got why they had to put some many of them in DP. Honestly, just flipping one of the feet and ltering shading is SUCH an improvement (talking about the DP sprites but refers to this as well. No, I'm not bitching).

zeroality
04-11-10, 11:04 AM
I think X-Antibody is winnar.

Mediocrity_Incarnate
04-11-10, 03:25 PM
One thing on his though. Doesn't the lab coat need to be shown behind her like in the middle part?

ImmunityBow
04-11-10, 04:55 PM
That's excellent X-Antibody.

She does look a little too young though, the miniskirt doesn't help, and she has to have a hand open for a Pokeball, no? And of course the Lab Coat needs to show behind, though I would shorten the lab coat to stress her individuality over the other professors. Also it's a little stiffly straight, I would fit the lab coat to her body more. All in all she reminds me a bit of Emma Skye from Phoenix Wright , and Emma's 16.

You really caught the style!

Obtuse
04-11-10, 08:04 PM
Her labcoat is uneven as well. One side is coming down farther than the other.

zeroality
04-12-10, 05:40 AM
Yes, just fix those minor issues and it will be a fantastic sprite - even suitable for use in site/forum designs.

X-Antibody
04-12-10, 07:44 AM
Thanks! I made the changes. Wasn't sure what I could do about making her look older so I played with her hair a bit.
Consistent changes: Shorter labcoat, no miniskirt, pants are red, shoes are blue, right hand sticks out, labcoat has buttons.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/ProfessorWillow.png 1
Original
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/ProfessorWillowHair.png 2
Changes from 1: Hair has been cut short.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/ProfessorWillowHair2.png 3
Changes from 2: Two little twirly strands of hair come out from behind the neck.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/ProfessorWillowHair3.png [B]4
Changes from 2: A small tuft of hair is seen behind the neck
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/ProfessorWillowEarring.png 5
Changes from 2: An earring can be seen.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/ProfessorWillowEarring2.png 6
Changes from 3: An earring can be seen.

HAVE A VOTE. If that is necessary.

PS:PHOENIX WRIGHT IS AWESOME!

MewLoverEX
04-12-10, 12:09 PM
Hmm... I like 2 and 5. I think the short hair looks great.

X-Antibody
04-12-10, 12:24 PM
I was also thinking of 4 with earrings. Yes/No?

MewLoverEX
04-12-10, 08:26 PM
Yes, I think that would look good, too.

Obtuse
04-12-10, 11:10 PM
I think 4 with two earrings. But 1 with two longer earrings (like, hanging down low enough to see) seems like an interesting idea to me too.

ImmunityBow
04-13-10, 12:07 AM
4 with earrings would be perfect. I really like the tuft of hair behind, the shorter hair really makes her look a lot more mature, and so do the earrings. Another small thing you might want to work on is making the hands a bit bigger. Pokemon-style hands are usually proportioned similarly to IRL hands: about 1/2-2/3 as big as the head.

zeroality
04-13-10, 12:13 AM
I don't think they could be much bigger without looking grotesque though.

X-Antibody
04-13-10, 01:22 AM
I think 4 with two earrings. But 1 with two longer earrings (like, hanging down low enough to see) seems like an interesting idea to me too.
Two earring may be difficult with the right fringe, but I'll give it a go. Longer earrings in a lab sounds risky D:

4 with earrings would be perfect. I really like the tuft of hair behind, the shorter hair really makes her look a lot more mature, and so do the earrings. Another small thing you might want to work on is making the hands a bit bigger. Pokemon-style hands are usually proportioned similarly to IRL hands: about 1/2-2/3 as big as the head.

If I could've I would've xD But if you really are intending on it I can give it another go I guess.
EDIT: Yeah. The proportions are a bit small but having anything larger than 1px fingers is pretty weird and grotesque D:
EDIT EDIT: But I made a new right hand so it shows the actual position that would've been unclear in the first one.
http://i43.tinypic.com/29kzw21.png 7
Personally, I think that's a winner.

ImmunityBow
04-13-10, 01:48 AM
That looks great! The hand is much improved. I know that it looks grotesque whenever you try to sprite big hands, but if you look at HGSS Professor Oak's intro sprite you'll see that his thumb is huge!

X-Antibody
04-13-10, 01:52 AM
You can hardly see her thumb in my picture so I just made an edit that reveals it better.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2zp2wjs.png
Looks sturdy ;D And if you haven't realised her hand is a rotated position of the normal Pokeball holding hand [thought normally the fingers are pointing away from the body to show off the Pokeball in a dynamic posture]
And Professor Oak's two pixel thick fingers would only work with men and that hand position. I was going for something different.

ImmunityBow
04-13-10, 02:21 AM
Well, okay then. Looks amazing anyway!

zeroality
04-13-10, 10:46 AM
That's certainly an unique look for a Pokemon professor. I like it!

NyteFyre
04-13-10, 06:24 PM
well, we are using a female professor, the first that i know of on a game, so of course she would look different