Revamp: Duskull -> Dusclops

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What CAN be revamped:
- Movesets (TMs and levelsets) - For TMs, please post the existing list even if you're making no changes, it makes my job much easier.
- Abilities
- Egg Moves (POST WITH FATHERS, PLEASE)

What CANNOT be revamped:
- Base stats

We're doing Duskull -> Dusclops in this topic.

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Gen 3 info:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/355.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/356.shtml

Aaaaand here's my first attempt at a levelset:

Move/Duskull/Dusclops

Leer/-/-
Night Shade/-/-
Disable/5/5
Foresight/12/12
Astonish/15/15
Confuse Ray/21/21
Doom Scythe/26/26
Pursuit/30/30
Curse/36/36
Soul Burn/x/37
Shadow Punch/x/37
Will-O-Wisp/40/42
Mean Look/46/49
Umbrage/50/55
Marionette/x/61

Additions to the movepool were Doom Scythe, Soul Burn, Umbrage, and Marionette. Future Sight and Bind were removed, and levels were adjusted slightly.

Tentative TM List?

TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM12 Taunt
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM41 Torment
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM46 Thief
TM48 Skill Swap
TM49 Snatch
TM55 Endure (?)
TM59 Soul Burn
TM61 Umbrage
TM71 Statronome (?)
TM72 Initiative (?)
TM78 Substitute (?)
TM79 Rocket Punch
TM80 Orion's Sword
HM05 Flash

I had no idea what Statronome or Initiative did, But I thought they might be useful.

Also, should Curse and Soul Burn/Shadow Punch really be that close together? I mean, I know its the evolution point, but I still think Curse is too close. Maybe change its level to 33?

Move/Duskull/Dusclops

Leer/-/-
Night Shade/-/-
Disable/5/5
Foresight/12/12
Astonish/15/15
Confuse Ray/21/21
Doom Scythe/26/26
Pursuit/30/30
Curse/33/33
Soul Burn/x/37
Shadow Punch/x/37
Will-O-Wisp/40/42
Mean Look/46/49
Umbrage/50/55
Marionette/x/61

Abilities: Levitate/ Night Vision or Empty Head

Just some ideas to get things moving along.

I'm sorry, I have a tendency to edit my posts frequently, not wanting to double post too much. Unfortunately, my edits go unnoticed so, I'll just wait next time.

TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM12 Taunt
TM14 Blizzard
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM41 Torment
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM46 Thief
TM48 Skill Swap
TM49 Snatch
TM55 Endure (?)
TM58 Nightfall
TM59 Soul Burn
TM61 Umbrage
TM65 Zigzag
TM71 Statronome (?)
TM72 Initiative (?)
TM78 Substitute (?)
TM79 Rocket Punch
TM80 Orion's Sword
HM05 Flash

Zigzag should compatible every Pokémon, IIRC. Also, Nightfall might be appropriate for Ghost-types.

As for Egg moves confirmation...

Destiny Bond (Koffing line)
Pain Split (Misdreavus)
Grudge (Misdeavus)
Memento (Grimer line, Koffing line)

Imprison and Faint Attack cannot be used unless there are Topaz Pokémon in the Indeterminate egg group that can learn them. Only the Ralts and Shuppet lines can learn Imprison and Faint Attack respectively through level-up, and neither are listed in the Topaz Dex.

Substitute, Initiative and Endure are on every Pokemon, so those are definite yesses. Focus Sight might also be on nearly every Pokemon, I don't remember and if someone could check, that'd be great.

Yes to Nightfall, no to Statronome IMO. I actually don't really like Statronome as a concept so maybe I'm biased, but I prefer it to be on Pokemon who would otherwise be unexciting, and Dusclops has a lot of cool things going for it.

The yeses are understandable, I guess. I still don't know what Statronome does, though, so i'm a little lost as to why no on it.

It basically raises a random stat by one or two levels randomly. Considering the description of the move ("A mystical finger wags in the air, randomly raising or lowering a stat one or two levels."), and the fact that Dusclops and Duskull can earn Metronome by tutor in FRLG, I think it should be added to their movepools.

Are we going to make the rule for Statronome be "it goes on whatever has Metronome?" I'd like to hear your opinions.

We could make Statronome an Egg Move and not put it on the TM list.

And I'm not sure about changing the abilities altogether, Nyte. Levitate stays on Duskull obv, but I'd also like to keep Pressure on Dusclops. We could add one ability, but the canon one should probably stay.

Oh, my bad, didn't see that Dusclops lost Levitate for Pressure. Hehe~ -sweatdrop-

Pressure is indeed a cool ability on Dusclops. I don't quite see Night Vision or Empty Head on it, either.

Empty Head, I was going for, since they're Ghosts, which don't really have much of a head, thereby being empty head? OR maybe just a lack of emotion, sicne empty head prevents things like attraction, confusion (how do you confuse a ghost anyway?). etc...hehe~ -sweatdrop again-

And Night vision because Dusclops are ghosts, which are native to the night, so it seemed fitting. As for Duskull, It has a fire behind it's 'eyes', so I figured that would work for him as well

Other than maybe Eclipse or Confound, None of the other Topaz abilities appear to flow with Dusclops' style, imho.

I don't think it's necessary to give Dusclops a Topaz ability, since it none of the underrepresented abilities really fit him, and the abilities that do have been plastered on a fair amount of Pokemon.

(Remember, in the end it's up to SilentSentinel what gets finalized.)

Honestly, I feel like Pressure is fine.

Still looking for opinions on Stratronome as a possible Egg Move, adding other egg moves, etc.

ok, so only Pressure then. ok, I can live with that.

As far as I can see, the egg moves are fine, and Statronome as an egg move is plausible.

I personally don't think Statronome fits at all, though I also don't think that Metronome fits, so I guess all I can do is wait to see if anyone agrees with that assertion.

I'm certainly not in love with the idea. If not, we could use a different new egg move.

...Kay.

What if we took Curse off the levelset and turned it into an egg move? That would help space out stuff a bit.

That could work, and take the place of Statronome as an egg move, giving it a nice egg move pool, without particularly unnecessary moves.

Sure, sounds good.

Leer/-/-
Night Shade/-/-
Disable/5/5
Foresight/12/12
Astonish/15/15
Confuse Ray/21/21
Doom Scythe/26/26
Pursuit/32/32
Soul Burn/x/37
Shadow Punch/x/37
Will-O-Wisp/39/42
Mean Look/45/49
Umbrage/50/55
Marionette/x/63

Adjusted the moveset some to accommodate for Curse being moved to an Egg Move.

ok, so nothing else needed for this line?

Seems like it.

Alright then, I'll get another one posted up soon.

#070

Duskull
Requiem Pokemon
Height: .79 m
Weight: 15 lbs
Ability: Levitate
Egg Group: Indeterminate

Duskull: Eerily and eternally calm, DUSKULL's presence can be felt through a chill in one's bones. It would seem that the quiescence of its thoughts allow it to pass through walls.

Base Stats:
HP: 20
Attack: 40
Defense: 90
Sp. Atk: 30
Sp. Def: 90
Speed: 25

Moves:
Leer ---
Night Shade ---
Disable 5
Foresight 12
Astonish 15
Confuse Ray 21
Doom Scythe 26
Pursuit 32
Will-O-Wisp 39
Mean Look 45
Umbrage 50

TMs:
04 Calm Mind
06 Toxic
10 Hidden Power
11 Sunny Day
12 Taunt
14 Blizzard
17 Protect
18 Rain Dance
21 Frustration
27 Return
29 Psychic
30 Shadow Ball
32 Double Team
41 Torment
42 Facade
43 Secret Power
44 Rest
45 Attract
46 Thief
48 Skill Swap
49 Snatch
55 Endure
58 Nightfall
59 Soul Burn
61 Umbrage
65 Zigzag
72 Initiative
78 Substitute
79 Rocket Punch
80 Orion's Sword

Egg Moves:
Destiny Bond
Pain Split
Grudge
Memento
Curse

#071

Dusclops
Beckon Pokemon
Height: 1.6 m
Weight: 31 kg
Ability: Pressure
Egg Group: Indeterminate

Dusclops: DUSCLOPS moves into the homes of the recently deceased and sets the houses ablaze. The destruction of the departed spirits' material possessions helps them leave the physical world.

Base Stats:
HP: 40
Attack: 70
Defense: 130
Sp. Atk: 60
Sp. Def: 130
Speed: 25

Moves:
Leer -
Night Shade -
Disable 5
Foresight 12
Astonish 15
Confuse Ray 21
Doom Scythe 26
Pursuit 32
Soul Burn 37
Shadow Punch 37
Will-O-Wisp 42
Mean Look 49
Umbrage 55
Marionette 63

TMs:
01 Focus Punch
04 Calm Mind
06 Toxic
10 Hidden Power
11 Sunny Day
12 Taunt
13 Ice Beam
14 Blizzard
15 Hyper Beam
17 Protect
18 Rain Dance
21 Frustration
26 Earthquake
27 Return
29 Psychic
30 Shadow Ball
32 Double Team
39 Rock Tomb
41 Torment
42 Facade
43 Secret Power
44 Rest
45 Attract
46 Thief
48 Skill Swap
49 Snatch
55 Endure
58 Nightfall
59 Soul Burn
61 Umbrage
65 Zigzag
72 Initiative
78 Substitute
79 Rocket Punch
80 Orion's Sword

Egg Moves:
Destiny Bond
Pain Split
Grudge
Memento
Curse

(Note: The posted TM list was missing some TMs that Dusclops could learn in the canon games -- I added those in.)

Thank you, on all counts.