Kuranpu

[ImmunityBow]

Wasn't done.

KURANPU is beleived to be the physical representation of the balance between good and evil. If either of these two becomes stronger than the other, KURANPU will intervene and restore the balance.

A perfect balance of light and dark, KURANPU ensures that the world stays in perfect sync. The POKEMON stands as the mediator of all disputes.

KURANPU is believed to balance the forces of good and evil. Because of this, it will sometimes behave benignly, and at other times deviously.

KURANPU is said to be the physical embodiment of the balance between good and evil. If this balance were to shift too far either way, this POKEMON would fly into a berserk rage, its own personal balance lost.

The perfect balance of good and evil, KURANPU lives to keep the world in balance. It must stay far from others to prevent its own balance from shifting.

While in the wild, KURANPU has its colours in perfect balence. The black and white are said to grow and shrink based on the heart of its trainer.

In order to keep its own emotions in balance, KURANPU radiates hostile or belovolent feelings. Those who have been near KURANPU are said to experience mood swings.

KURANPU is explained in legends as the representation of the balance between good and evil. When KURANPU sleeps, conflict between the two forces arises.

KURANPU is said to have been born on the moon. It's body becomes darker or lighter as the moon changes phase.

KURANPU can change its color to pitch-black or snow white, making able to hide in many environments. Those who attempt to capture KURANPU often give up the chase in frustration, confounded by its camoflauge.

KURANPU is often underestimated in battle due to its small size. Those foolish enough to challenge it are often taken aback by its agility and strength.

KURANPU is said to have flown here from the moon, where it was born. As the moon moves through its phases, KURANPU's body becomes darker or lighter.

[Cranky Guy]

I prefer the last one. Just a bit of grammer correction to no.11.

KURANPU is often underestimated in battle "due" to its small size. Those foolish enough to challenge it are often taken aback by its agility and strength.

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

I stick with my vote on the old forums. The last one about the moon.

[Cranky Guy]

I agree with MI.

[Malphis]

Personally, I prefer this one: A perfect balance of light and dark, KURANPU ensures that the world stays in perfect sync. The POKEMON stands as the mediator of all disputes.

After all, it seems to be based on the yin/yang balance.

[Cranky Guy]

Light and dark has almost the same meaning, actually.

[NyteFyre]

i agreed with the one about yin/yang on the old forums, and stand by it...

[Cranky Guy]

How's this?

KURANPU is explained in legends as the representation of the balance between good and evil. Its body becomes darker or lighter based on the phase of the moon.

[ImmunityBow]

I don't think the splice quite works. The two sentences are practically unrelated and would suggest that as the moon waxes good dominates but as it wanes evil does.

[Cranky Guy]

Why dont you try something IB? Your always brilliant when it comes to ideas.

[ImmunityBow]

I've given Kuranpu thought. It's a really hard one to do without bringing up cliché good and evil concepts, though I guess the yin and yang part lends itself naturally to that.

How about a different take maybe?

The belief that KURANPU is the greatest mediator of all lies in the rumours of its split personality. Its darker, tranquil side and its lighter, aggressive side are thought to be used in different situations.

It is believed that KURANPU's personality will shift to reflect one that it meets. Philosophers have long searched for it, believing it holds the key to understanding the human race.

[NyteFyre]

hmm....both of IBs are good, though i like top one better

[Cyndadile]

Throwing in a new-ish idea:

KURANPU's light and dark parts expand and contract depending on its balance of good and evil. It typically tries to avoid people in order to keep itself at balance.

[Malphis]

Some food for thought:
The whole Yin and Yang issue behind Kuranpu is not about good or evil, nor is it about light and darkness. It is about balance and coexistence. That one cannot live with the other, and the imbalance would throw things into chaos. While on that note, Yin is for female and darkness while Yang is for male and light.

Think over that if you want. I am still sticking to my vote about balance.

-Malphis Droma, Insane Extraordinaire

[Hebi-chan]

The whole Yin and Yang issue behind Kuranpu is not about good or evil, nor is it about light and darkness. It is about balance and coexistence. That one cannot live with the other, and the imbalance would throw things into chaos. While on that note, Yin is for female and darkness while Yang is for male and light.

This is serenity ^^

therefore

KURANPU's body produces black and white skin which indicates the balance of serenity and chaosl in it's mind, while the colors are equal the mind is in serenity, the tiniest change however means the mind is in chaos.

[Cyndadile]

KURANPU is rumored to be able to mediate any dispute. It has the ability to affect the minds of people and POKEMON to make them more or less agressive to suit its desires.

[Tyrannigon64]

I'll give it a go

KURANPU keeps balance between good and bad in the world by indirectly influencing people. It is believed that it is the cause of karma.

[MK94]

i think that we shouldn't talk about ying and yang because of the gen 5 legdendarys but i do like IB's last one and the karma idea is good

[Cyndadile]

Gen 5 doesn't exist. LIES!!! ALL LIES!!!!!

[MK94]

yah it does omg look here http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/ and here http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/en-us/

[Tyrannigon64]

I think Cyndadile means that the 5th gen isn't in Topaz.

[MK94]

but still im thinking like lawsuit realaded

[Cyndadile]

We wont get sued. Besides, they couldn't track us down.

Yes. 5th gen is a figment of your imagination. LIES!!! It is all a deception. The government is trying to get us!!!

[Cyndadile]

Double post AND bump! We really need to do this one. There may be some duplicates in my list, but here's what I've got. We need to shorten it a bit, to start.


KURANPU is beleived to be the physical representation of the balance between good and evil. If either of these two becomes stronger than the other, KURANPU will intervene and restore the balance.

A perfect balance of light and dark, KURANPU ensures that the world stays in perfect sync. The POKEMON stands as the mediator of all disputes.

KURANPU is believed to balance the forces of good and evil. Because of this, it will sometimes behave benignly, and at other times deviously.

KURANPU is said to be the physical embodiment of the balance between good and evil. If this balance were to shift too far either way, this POKEMON would fly into a berserk rage, its own personal balance lost.

The perfect balance of good and evil, KURANPU lives to keep the world in balance. It must stay far from others to prevent its own balance from shifting.

While in the wild, KURANPU has its colours in perfect balence. The black and white are said to grow and shrink based on the heart of its trainer.

In order to keep its own emotions in balance, KURANPU radiates hostile or belovolent feelings. Those who have been near KURANPU are said to experience mood swings.

KURANPU is explained in legends as the representation of the balance between good and evil. When KURANPU sleeps, conflict between the two forces arises.

KURANPU is said to have been born on the moon. It's body becomes darker or lighter as the moon changes phase.

KURANPU can change its color to pitch-black or snow white, making able to hide in many environments. Those who attempt to capture KURANPU often give up the chase in frustration, confounded by its camoflauge.

KURANPU is often underestimated in battle due to its small size. Those foolish enough to challenge it are often taken aback by its agility and strength.

KURANPU is said to have flown here from the moon, where it was born. As the moon moves through its phases, KURANPU's body becomes darker or lighter.

KURANPU keeps balance between good and bad in the world by indirectly influencing people. It is believed that it is the cause of karma.

KURANPU is rumored to be able to mediate any dispute. It has the ability to affect the minds of people and POKEMON to make them more or less agressive to suit its desires.

KURANPU's body produces black and white skin which indicates the balance of serenity and chaosl in it's mind, while the colors are equal the mind is in serenity, the tiniest change however means the mind is in chaos.

KURANPU's light and dark parts expand and contract depending on its balance of good and evil. It typically tries to avoid people in order to keep itself at balance.

The belief that KURANPU is the greatest mediator of all lies in the rumours of its split personality. Its darker, tranquil side and its lighter, aggressive side are thought to be used in different situations.

It is believed that KURANPU's personality will shift to reflect one that it meets. Philosophers have long searched for it, believing it holds the key to understanding the human race.

[zeroality]

I think the first one is the best, since it explains what the Pokemon is and does - as it should.

A minor revision:


KURANPU is the physical representation of the balance between good and evil. If either becomes stronger than the other, KURANPU will intervene and restore the balance.

You want it to sound definite, so "believed to be" was removed. The second sentence sounded a little awkward and wordy so I revised it.

[NyteFyre]

Zero's Edit seems fine to me. Good to see you back, Zero, now things can truly get done, I believe.

[ImmunityBow]

While it gets the job done, the edit just seems a little too cliche. Of course it would be good and evil! Of course it helps restore balance! I feel like it makes Kuranpu just a little too generic and thus not feel legendary.

[Tyrannigon64]

Well does anyone like the idea of it being believed to cause karma? Just a suggestion, but I personally think it makes sense.

[zeroality]

While it gets the job done, the edit just seems a little too cliche. Of course it would be good and evil! Of course it helps restore balance! I feel like it makes Kuranpu just a little too generic and thus not feel legendary.
Yeah, it is pretty cliche. I'm not good at coming up with original entries though so someone suggest something else and I'll grammar-tize it.

[ImmunityBow]

Why don't I shorten the convenient list Cyndadile made? Some of them aren't as generic:



A perfect balance of light and dark, KURANPU ensures that the world stays in perfect sync. The POKEMON stands as the mediator of all disputes.

In order to keep its own emotions in balance, KURANPU radiates hostile or benevolent feelings. Those who have been near KURANPU are said to experience mood swings.

KURANPU is said to have flown here from the moon, where it was born. As the moon moves through its phases, KURANPU's body becomes darker or lighter.

KURANPU is rumored to be able to mediate any dispute. It has the ability to affect the minds of people and POKEMON to make them more or less aggressive to suit its desires.

The belief that KURANPU is the greatest mediator of all lies in the rumours of its split personality. Its darker, tranquil side and its lighter, aggressive side are thought to be used in different situations.

It is believed that KURANPU's personality will shift to reflect one that it meets. Philosophers have long searched for it, believing it holds the key to understanding the human race.

That would be my shortlist (though perhaps I unfairly judged my own to be fine since I wouldn't have posted them up if I hadn't thought them viable in the first place).
For ones that had a sentence that was interesting and another that didn't work, I bolded the sentence that didn't work.
I also eliminated some in favour of one that was similar but better worded IMO.

[Cyndadile]

the convenient list NyteFyre made?

:(

Anyways, I like #4.

[ImmunityBow]

Sorry, fixed. If you haven't noticed, I credit people wrong all the time.

[NyteFyre]

Lol, I was wondering for a second...

Anyway, I also like #4 on that list.

[zeroality]

I like it too. I thought 'rumored' was a little inconclusive, but after rewriting it in a more assertive sense it didn't fit. I guess we can leave it like that, to cast a more mysterious nature on the Pokemon.

So yeah, I vote #4.

[ImmunityBow]

I feel that being a little vaguer on a legendaries is fine, because technically they shouldn't have been thoroughly studied anyway.

As for #4 my impression from the second sense is that it's more a manipulator than a mediator. And why would a legendary Pokemon be as petty as to influence people to follow it's desires?

Legendaries in Pokemon tend to split into three categories:

Ageless entities of great power and little worldly desire: Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza, Jirachi, Mew (Typhidna and Unicrown seem to fit here too, maybe Kuranpu too)

Guardians of some sort: Lugia, Celebi, the Regis (Kipporok, it seems)

Almost humanly-conscious beings with their own wants and agendas: Mewtwo, maybe Suicune and Entei

The second sentence of #4 seems to put Kuranpu on the level of Malduval or something, using abilities to gain a competitive edge. But it shouldn't need that edge, it's legendary.

(I know you guys are tired of debating Kuranpu's points, but I think it's important our legendaries feel legendary, since they're so much a face of the game.)

[Tyrannigon64]

I know I've said this already, but no one seems to want to reply. Would it be possible to have Kuranpu be rumored to cause karma? It seems like a perfect fit: good things happen to good people, and bad things happen to bad people.

[NyteFyre]

Well, is manipulation beyond legends? Look at Mewtwo for f***s sake! He nearly destroyed the world with a huge rainstorm, interacted with several distinct people directly, kidnapped a Nurse Joy, cloned a ton of pokemon, and more or less killed Ash! Before he had a change of heart that is. Entei, though only an illusion, kidnapped Ash's mom, and held her prisoner. I doubt legends are beyond petty influencing for their own purposes, whatever they may be.

In your list, you forgot the Deoxes, Deoxi...whatever the plural of Deoxys is. Also, you forgot to mention Ho-oh, the legendary birds, and Raiku, as well as all of fourth gen. I know we're an alt version of gen 4, but it still helps to draw from them, especially on subjects such as this.

However, I do agree that if it's supposed to be a mediator, it shouldn't be doing so for it's own desires. Would make more sense to change "to suit it's needs' to something like 'so that the balance is uncorrupted' or 'so that there is as little bloodshed as necessary'. Something like that.

[zeroality]

kidnapped a Nurse Joy
lol'd irl


I know we're an alt version of gen 4
wut

RSE is Gen 3 son.

[NyteFyre]

yeah, we're using RSE era code and overworlds, but we're setting ourselves up as an alternative to D/P, and therefore, that is why we aren't having Gen 4 pokemon in game. Or so IB tells everyone. >.>

[zeroality]

Oh, yea I'm following you now.

As for the dex entry, I agree that it should be reworded to make it sound more of a mediator than a manipulator.

[Cyndadile]

Tyrannigon: Sorry, I don't think that most people like the idea of karma.

Also:
KURANPU is rumored to be able to mediate any dispute. It has the ability to affect the minds of people and POKEMON to make them more or less aggressive to keep the world in balance.

[ImmunityBow]

Well, is manipulation beyond legends? Look at Mewtwo for f***s sake! He nearly destroyed the world with a huge rainstorm, interacted with several distinct people directly, kidnapped a Nurse Joy, cloned a ton of pokemon, and more or less killed Ash! Before he had a change of heart that is. Entei, though only an illusion, kidnapped Ash's mom, and held her prisoner. I doubt legends are beyond petty influencing for their own purposes, whatever they may be.

In your list, you forgot the Deoxes, Deoxi...whatever the plural of Deoxys is. Also, you forgot to mention Ho-oh, the legendary birds, and Raiku, as well as all of fourth gen. I know we're an alt version of gen 4, but it still helps to draw from them, especially on subjects such as this.

However, I do agree that if it's supposed to be a mediator, it shouldn't be doing so for it's own desires. Would make more sense to change "to suit it's needs' to something like 'so that the balance is uncorrupted' or 'so that there is as little bloodshed as necessary'. Something like that.

I didn't say manipulation is beyond legends. What I'm saying is that Mewtwo and Entei are less deities or guardians like most legendaries but like humans are extremely emotionally conscious and have their own agendas. Yes, they're manipulative and capricious, which is what makes them so much better than most of the newer legendaries IMO. So yes, your points are basically parallel to mine on this front. I was citing Pokemon as examples, not simply to categorize each and every one of them, which is why I didn't bother placing each legendary from Gen 3 back, because I already made my point and/or didn't know enough about them anyway (Raikou and Ho-oh I know nearly nothing about, and the birds aside form Zapdos don't really have much development).

However, as you agreed with, Kuranpu doesn't fit with Mewtwo or Entei. As the "mediator of all disputes", by nature, it cannot be humanized in that way. Thus, petty manipulation should be beyond it. This is my argument.

As for the new edit, "to keep the world in balance" doesn't really say anything, because the connection is difficult to make. Making people more or less aggressive keeps the world in balance? How?

[NyteFyre]

ok, ignore the world balance thing.

However, to prevent bloodshed and loss of life could work. Spur the right people into action can solve problems, while calming down, or preventing the other right people can do the same.

Maybe he simply likes peace, and therefor manipulates whoever in whatever ways in order to keep that peace, regardless of the additional consequences. Not necessarily worldly balance, just peace. Things can be peaceful with a ruthless dictator around, and the same could be said for a benevolent tribunal. And vice-versa. Being a pokemon, maybe he doesn't understand the consequences of his actions, or how others may feel about it, and therefore what happens after doesn't affect him, so long as it erects peace.

but maybe i'm just rambling with no real clue. I don't know.

[ImmunityBow]

Now we're getting somewhere! Instead of blindly stabbing at entries, trying to find something that embodies Kuranpu is the direction we should be taking. If he loves peace and hates conflict, maybe something like:

Deeply disturbed by conflict, KURANPU appears in times of great imbalance. Its devotion to homeostasis is the reason for its title as the mediator of all disputes.

I do also like your interpretation of its actions, as it also accounts for the light and the dark in Kuranpu's typing. The dark part is the part that doesn't care how it's done, and who will let the world fall under a ruthless dictator, so long as the peace is kept.

[zeroality]

Homeostasis isn't a good word to use in a dex entry, imo. Think about the audience playing this game, it's going to potentially be a lot of 11-15 year olds who aren't going to have any idea what that means.

I think we're on the right track now though. Let me take a stab at it:


Deeply disturbed by conflict, KURANPU appears at times of great imbalance. Its devotion to harmony is the reason for its title as the mediator of all disputes.

I think 'at times' is better than 'in times', regarding the context of the sentence. And yeah, harmony over homeostasis.

[Tyrannigon64]

Good idea. I had no clue what homeostasis meant until you replaced it with harmony, making me assume they mean the same (or almost the same) thing.

[NyteFyre]

I agree, Zero's edit of IB's is fine with me.

+1 Vote Acquired!
~dadada-da-da-dada~

[ImmunityBow]

Yes, "at times" works much better, and harmony is also a perfectly acceptable replacement.

+1 vote.

[Cyndadile]

+1

[ImmunityBow]

Looks like 5 there.

Kuranpu: Deeply disturbed by conflict, KURANPU appears at times of great imbalance. Its devotion to harmony is the reason for its title as the mediator of all disputes.