The Gym Suggestions. [Archive] - Pokemon Topaz Forums

neon.Barnacle

06-24-10, 10:16 PM

This view always throws me off though, so I may be mistaken. I don't think we should be able to see so much of the top of the smokestacks. I think they would be at a slightly steeper angel so that they're pointing up more.

I just stole the smokestack from the FRLG power plant sprite, made it smaller, and stuck it on the roof. Although if anyone else feels it's a weird perspective I can try fixing it.

Yes, I did try matching them with the actual towns. Quinn was spot-on, Froy's gym is a furnace while Therma's gym is a library. I also had concerns that Froy's gym would look like a steel-type gym, which is why I gave it a bright red roof. The colors of Therma's gym matches the oriental buildings in Softwind. It is kinda hard to tell what type the gym is, though I'm stuck on how to make it more obvious.

And if anybody's interested, here's the base sprite I used. The top one is the normal gym and the bottom one doesn't have windows. Feel free to use anything I provide. I'll also try to do a couple more as well.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/neonscreen/gymbase.png

Quinn

06-25-10, 12:56 AM

I got right on!!!!! POWNAGE!!!! lolz.
I hope you dont mind Neon, but I used yours anyways.
This is what I've gotten. (I think they should be animated, since they are the "big, important awesome buildings"
Froy: (not much change, except pillars, "gym" and windows, which Ironicly, I think gave it more "heat")
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/Cranewing-Gym.gif
Therma: Kept the library theme, but added "air" if you couldn't tell. That windmill was hard, but I think I got it perfected.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/Softwind-Gym.gif

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 12:15 PM

Good job, Quinn.

Have the interior of the gyms been created?

badgerdude1347

06-25-10, 03:50 PM

Cyndadile is right. So what if the exterior looks good. What's the interior supposed to look like?

I suggest for Therma, have rotating platforms that your supposed to walk on that eventually lead to the Leader. For Froy, I'd give the gym a large generator filled with maze leading to him.

SilentSentinel

06-25-10, 04:09 PM

There has already been some things decided about the interiors.

Quinn

06-25-10, 04:15 PM

to rp. Are those the same ones that I read in "another" forum?

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 04:56 PM

Some ideas for Fernando(?):
http://cyndadile.webs.com/Fernando's%20Gym.pnghttp://cyndadile.webs.com/Fernando's%20Gym%20Larger.png
I don't like my roof. It looks too bright. It also needs more stuff.

Quinn

06-25-10, 05:00 PM

Fernando's grass right? I'm liking it. Something funny is throw a couple Trees and TALL grass up on the top

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 05:01 PM

Oh, and I forgot to put the thing that says "gym" on it...

Quinn

06-25-10, 05:04 PM

that doesn't need to be there. If you do put it there though, maybe a Dark green or a Blue would look good. Or maybe even a gold.

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 05:12 PM

Small edit, how's this?
http://cyndadile.webs.com/Fernando's%20Gym%20Larger%202.png
I was thinking maybe Safari Zone trees somewhere? I tried, but failed. I might try again soon-ish.

Quinn

06-25-10, 05:15 PM

Maybe I could use it, and revamp it? I can't think of any animation for it yet, but I could work with trees and that shtuff.

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 05:21 PM

Sounds good. I like what you did with the other 2.

I would have had vines, but I only found moss. I don't know if you people do this, but I just stole colors and items from elsewhere. This happened to all be from the safari zone, or that city that it is in (grass roof, moss from buildinge, couple other things).

Mediocrity_Incarnate

06-25-10, 05:24 PM

Why are the fasn different on the second one quinn made?

Quinn

06-25-10, 05:24 PM

I'll get to it later, I might be swimming today!

Mediocrity_Incarnate

06-25-10, 05:26 PM

its still a cool idea. I like how we are making them different.

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 05:26 PM

@Quinn: Lucky.
@MI: Agrees

Mediocrity_Incarnate

06-25-10, 05:33 PM

what about hanzos? how do you make a ninja gym unless its like a dojo but then people will think fighting type.

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 06:16 PM

Isn't he poison? That could be swamp-like. Green and purple all over.

Merlin

06-25-10, 09:28 PM

wow these gyms look awesome!!!
maybe i should change up the gyms in my region but i'll wait first since it's still gotta be figured out...
the gyms look great so far and i like the windmill gym but maybe a slightly smaller windmill on top???
and possibly the fact that it could slow down and even stop for a while (following the way real windmills work according to the weather)
but i wouldn't go any farther than that...

Quinn

06-25-10, 09:34 PM

I could see about the windmill smaller, though the real ones have HUGE propeller thingies. The stopping thing, I'm not so sure of though...might be a bit tough to program that, knowing they are only frames.

I got back from swimming so I'm gonna work with Fernando's gym, with the trees.

Merlin

06-25-10, 09:45 PM

that's cool...
you don't have to slow it down or stop it if it's gonna take too much to make it work it was just some thoughts..
i understand the large blades on a windmill but this looks like it might annoy people by being in the way or moving too much...
outside of that though it looks great and i can handel the movement and size i thought it'd be better smaller since it's not a big town (last i remember)

Quinn

06-25-10, 09:49 PM

If I find the time, I'l' shorten them a bit, but the stop and change direction thing I couldn't do...unless the gif was reversed.

neon.Barnacle

06-25-10, 10:39 PM

Quinn, I like what you did with Froy's gym. Not a big fan of Therma's gym though (no pun intended). It's supposed to be a library, fans just don't make sense. It'll also clash with the rest of the city.

Also, I'm not sure how RPG Maker XP works, but aren't all animations done frame-by-frame? If so you'll have to include all the frames as well, and not just a .gif file (which I'm not sure is even usable).

Cyndadile

06-25-10, 10:41 PM

I do think that it needs more of a flying-type feel, though.

Silver

06-25-10, 10:47 PM

give the turbines da boot and give a birds nest for therma

Quinn

06-26-10, 12:11 AM

*neon. Since I had 2003, unless things have changed, its frames. I would give all frames (3-4, I forgot) to badara, and like water, it would animate.

*Silver. Done deal, although I would really like it if the windmill stayed.
I'll get an edit of therma's gym done tonight, since its needed ASAP.
Not by best, but still something.
Cyndaquil's base

1st...a really bad edit.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/th_FernandosGym1.png?t=1277511865
2nd...a plain recolor.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/th_FernandosGymRecolor.png?t=1277511865
and finally 3rd, a not so bad edit, though I'm mixed on it.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/th_FernandosGym2.png?t=1277511865

Cyndadile

06-26-10, 12:24 PM

I like the recolor, 3 is not bad, but something on it seems... off for a gym.

Quinn

06-26-10, 04:47 PM

the front grass kept pissing me off...though it might look better with only the trees and that back layer?

Edit to the Therma Gym.
Smaller propellers on the windmill and birds nest, some containing "fincherp" eggs.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/softwind.gif

Edit: I just found something about animated gifs and RPG maker XP

However when using GIF animation images, a script must be input into the database for the animation to display, otherwise the image is inanimate. I dont know if 4 png frames would be easier, or if the Gif would be easier, but gifs can be used.

zeroality

06-27-10, 06:18 AM

I think Badara uses frame-by-frame but I could be wrong. I'll get in touch with him and hopefully have him look at this thread.

I like what I'm seeing here. It would be good if we could focus on Froy and Therma's gyms as we need those for the demo. That really needs to be the priority, and the rest of the gyms can be done later.

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record but we really need to tighten our focus and look towards our immediate goal instead of past it.

Quinn

06-28-10, 12:02 AM

True. So, I was thinking today, and I was remembering how we should make Therma's gym more "flying like". I didn't come up with anything, BUT (i'm gonna talk about past the demo for a sec) I saw a possible other place for the windmill if we dont like it for Therma's. The Dynamo Gardens leader, Gerald. Its up in the sky, and it makes electricity. Sounds perfect as part of his gym, with some other tweaks. Anyways, so my Froy edit seems good to go, but what about Therma? should we keep the Windmill there, or put it on the Dynamo Garden Gym? If so, what should we replace it with?

ikkyblob

06-28-10, 02:07 AM

I think Dynamo's might look better with huge electric coil tower things.

Quinn

06-28-10, 02:35 AM

nothing stopping us from having both. Though I would love to have my windmill somewhere.

ikkyblob

06-28-10, 03:01 AM

Therma Idea!
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5028/conceptu.png

Cranky Guy

06-28-10, 03:32 AM

I'm just giving ideas for the interior designs of the gyms.

Therma: Someone said library if im not wrong so it could be like blaine's gym back in fr/lg where you have to answer the questions correctly too pass with out needing too battle. Therma's gym could be like that but since it is a flying type gym, it could use a little change. A more eco friendly environment. Books on tables to rerplace the quiz machines in blaine's gym and maybe if you answer a question wrongly, you would fall through a hole and have to start all over again. the junior trainers could be standing around.

Froy's gym: Perhaps froy's gym could be more like brawly's gym. All dark. But unlike Brawly's gym where you have defeat a junior trainer to make the gym brighter, We could have three fireplaces ( To go with the three chimneys outside) That you need to light up to make the gym brighter. The annoying guy at the entrance could give you a lighter to help you light the fireplaces and the junior trainers could ambush you in the darkness like in brawly's gym.

Fernando's GYM: Tall grass with wild pokemon and no junior trainers in a gym? It's a unique suggestion.

Hanzo's gym: Following what cyndadile said, It could look more like a swamp inside with lots of trainers in disguise as trees and rocks everywhere. And mud like in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum's safari zone.

Gerald's gym: A nice place with three electrical gates blocking you from reaching the leader. There could be some smalll generators in the gym that you have turn off to make the electrical gates dissapear. And there could be junior trainers in the gym.

I can't remember the rest though.

And for therma's gym (outside) you could have a huge nest on it and do what Quinn said. have the electric propellers at the dynamo gardens gym.

Quinn

06-28-10, 03:50 AM

the 1st two interiors are already done (or I think so, last time I remember). Outside. I'm all for a giant nest (and big bird wing) I would do that, but I am pretty busy right now. If I get time I will though. (No promice. As a normal person, no authority, say, "SOMEONE ELSE, GET TO WORK ON IT, AND FAST! the demo NEEDS it. Gotta be decided soon.

and have my windmill part of dynamo's gym. (and/or just a tile around the city) I really dont wanna just toss it.

Cranky Guy

06-28-10, 04:07 AM

Don't tell me they chopped of Lugia's wing for a gym!

Quinn

06-28-10, 04:15 AM

HAHAHAHAHA. Now that you say that though, that might seem like a good base, for someone else of course. I suck at wings...along with everything else spriting wise.

Quinn

06-28-10, 05:34 PM

someone should start making a gym!

revamp to grass one (not to get off topic)
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Topaz/FernandosGym.png

still might need work on the edges though.

neon.Barnacle

06-28-10, 06:31 PM

I warned before about going over the top with gym designs. Adding wings is definitely going over the top. So is having trees on the roof. Completely unnecessary.

ImmunityBow

06-28-10, 10:28 PM

Maybe instead of trees or grass on the roof you can have vines hanging down?

Merlin

06-29-10, 12:15 AM

or using the smaller/thinner trees...
but yeah i think i like the vines idea better...

ikkyblob

06-29-10, 12:42 AM

Then I guess it should be a big owl nest. (owls are thought of as wise, library gym, it fits)

neon.Barnacle

06-29-10, 12:58 AM

Again, please use restraint. An giant owl nest would look completely silly. Not to mention, how would someone distinguish an owl nest from a bird nest?

ikkyblob

06-29-10, 01:45 AM

Not sure....

Merlin

06-30-10, 08:35 PM

here's a thought...
Noctowl Statue...
not too big mind you but just large enough for the players to get the idea...
kinda like those sandshrew statues or whatever they are from FRLG when heading towards victory road...

Cranky Guy

07-01-10, 02:18 PM

Noctowl statue doesn't make any sense. I've got two crazy ideas for therma's gym (insert evil laugh). It's supposed to have something to do with books, right? the roof could be a huge book that is open and there are pictures of various bird pokemon(Perhaps a picture of the gym badge would also be nice.). And now the other idea. What about a nice, fluffy cloud on the roof of the gym?

Quinn

07-01-10, 04:01 PM

actually, I can kinda see noctowl statues as a good idea. They are smart, and they are flying. Is he in our dex though? A closed book maybe, but an open one, with all that stuff, just sounds like too much. Same with a cloud. Do we have any "smart" bird pokemon in our dex? The best I could think of is a "Smallard" statue, but I'm not so sure if he's "smart" enough for that.

Cyndadile

07-01-10, 04:29 PM

I think that Noctowl would be good regardless. I was going to try to make a statue using HGSS sprites, but it is flying in those.

Silver

07-01-10, 07:27 PM

tellure
if not skarmory
just an idea

BladeVap

07-01-10, 08:39 PM

How is Skarmory of all birds "smart"?

Cyndadile

07-01-10, 09:17 PM

Noctowl would be best, but I could see Tellure working.

Quinn

07-01-10, 09:21 PM

I'm gonna see if I can make one/both tonight. They will be up tommorow.

Cyndadile

07-01-10, 09:22 PM

Ugh, I may not be here tomarrow...
At latest, I'll see it next Friday.

Quinn

07-01-10, 09:25 PM

lets see how fast I can do one then. (I probably wont be able to get it up until tommorow though, but I'll try)

Cyndadile

07-01-10, 09:26 PM

Nah, I'm probably off soon anyways.

Cranky Guy

07-02-10, 07:37 AM

I dunno. I like my book idea.

neon.Barnacle

07-02-10, 01:54 PM

Again, please use restraint. An giant book would look completely silly.

Quinn

07-02-10, 04:16 PM

alright, this is what I got. (You can definetly tell which ones I just revamped the overworld, and which ones I used as bases.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/Statues.png

Left to right. Murkrow, Noctowl, Skarmory, Equill, Gashawk, normal
the glass one, the tail is an epic fail tellure.

The normal glass I think would look good on the inside, while Idk which would look good outside.

neon.Barnacle

07-02-10, 05:49 PM

I think Gashawk's statue would fit best. Noctowl's icon is too big and Skarmory looks odd for some reason.

Silver

07-02-10, 08:55 PM

Haha, fuck you guys

You were baited.

Have a woofer
http://cdn3-www.dogtime.com/assets/uploads/gallery/30-impossibly-cute-puppies/impossibly-cute-puppy-21.jpg

BladeVap

07-02-10, 11:13 PM

It never says anywhere in the canon games that Skarmory has higher intelligence than other Pokemon...

Zenith

07-03-10, 04:47 AM

A Skarmory in the 2nd Gym would be pretty overpowered. It would work in a rematch, though.

Isn't the Softwind Gym supposed to have a library motif? Or are we changing that?

SilentSentinel

07-03-10, 06:17 AM

It's supposed to be a library, yes, but the problem is conveying that while giving the feeling that it's a flying gym.

Zenith

07-03-10, 06:40 AM

Since it's a Gym that's also a library, it needs to have more of a mystical feel than a mechanical one.

Quinn

07-03-10, 06:02 PM

some of those libraries in new york have the big lion statues, so bird statues for ours. Thats how I was thinkin it.

Cyndadile

07-03-10, 08:16 PM

I was thinking a standing Noctowl, if possible.

Merlin

07-06-10, 10:59 PM

what Quinn said is basically what i was thinking of when it came to the Noctowl statue idea.
the one with the open wings wouldn't be bad someplace else like in the gym behing the gym leader or elsewhere in the city.

and if yall are going to have the region connected to johto it would be a good idea to have noctowl in there somewhere though i'm not entirely sure as to how Nintendo chooses the pokemon from the previous games that would be found in the newer regions...

Zenith

07-07-10, 05:59 AM

Even if Noctowl isn't native to Caldera, it doesn't mean they won't know about them and make statues of them. After all, lions aren't native to New York City.

Quinn

07-07-10, 05:05 PM

shouldn't this be decided soon? Get this done and move on type of thing.

neon.Barnacle

07-08-10, 03:05 PM

We're kinda stuck until we have the whole gym leader do-overs sorted out. Therma might even be changing cities.

Quinn

07-08-10, 04:23 PM

that isn't too swell, knowing that we need IB for that. There isn't anything stopping us from keeping her there for the time, (if needed for the demo) and then later, changing it.

Quinn

07-08-10, 06:30 PM

Totally serious...I'm kinda sad with the gyms now. I had the hottest looking water gym made, but we aren't gonna have one...so I just had to delete it. Not friendly for a water lover. I dont know whats gonna happen with the changes...so I'm holding off now. We still need to finish the Therma Gym for the demo at least. Froy's is done :D but Therma, shes just bouncing back and forth.

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-08-10, 11:45 PM

Just thought I'd mention we don't need any for the demo.

Quinn

07-09-10, 12:01 AM

we kinda do. Thats why Froy and Therma were the 1st on the list. They are NEEDED! The others can wait a bit, like Fernando or Gerald (or however you spell it.) Froy's is done, but Therma's has had tons of ideas.

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-09-10, 08:42 AM

tually they're not. They would be NICE but not NEEDED. I mean, oh no, how did the official games and pretty much all the hacks out there along with most of the fangames cope without individually styled gyms?! [/sarcasm]

Cyndadile

07-09-10, 03:23 PM

I mean, oh no, how did the official games and pretty much all the hacks out there along with most of the fangames cope without individually styled gyms?!

Good question.

Seriously, though, you two need to stop getting sarcastic with each other. You can be critical and nice.

Quinn

07-09-10, 04:32 PM

lol...how many people in the last couple months have I argued with? I dont even know...but I know at least 2-3. I dont do sarcasm though much...unless it is a nice joke.

Anyways...true. They AREN'T needed, but we dont want our work to go to waste. Lets finish the last gym for the demo, and save ourselves some heartache.

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-09-10, 04:37 PM

Or you couldd not rush it since it won't go to waste. I would like to point out an very obvious fact now.

THIS IS A DEMO. STUFF WILL STILL BE WORKED ON AN INCLUDE IN THE WHOLE GAME AFTER THE DEMOS RELEASE. WORK DOESN'T JUST STOP.
And now a word from our sponsors:

Cheesecake. *walks off*
And with that the show's over goodbye!
[/random mood of randasity]

Quinn

07-09-10, 04:40 PM

The demo is our "showcase". We make it good, we get people...we make it bad, we keep working as is, maybe even lose a couple. If we are this close, shouldn't we just wrap it up in a pretty little bow?

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-09-10, 05:03 PM

Never show all your cards.
And what if the idea falls through? What if we can't make some of the gyms that occur later than the end of the demo? We'd either have it half doneish upon full rrelease or not there, unless we're sure we shou;dn't put it in the demo since people'll think it's a garunteed (spelling fail I know) in the full version.

Mediocrity_Incarnate

07-09-10, 10:39 PM

Why dont we just do the two gyms now and have little hissy fits about it later?

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-09-10, 11:01 PM

Because if this drags on for too long and you still insist it be in the demo, if people give in to you (note the ifs in the sentence) the demo'll take longer.

Quinn

07-09-10, 11:32 PM

not if we continue as is. I can't quote exacty, but on the repository thread, when zero was talking about what to show and not, someone said we shouldn't show all our cards (not exactly that, but still) "yet we need to show enough to bring people in". This might be one of our golden tickets. Along with the fakemon, the new places, completely new storyline, awesome looking maps (until I showed up lolz.) and cool looking gyms. I mean, there isn't anything stopping us from making the gyms even BETTER, (along with the others and possibly new ones).

ImmunityBow

07-10-10, 01:58 AM

Could someone link me to the discussion of Therma possibly changing cities? PM is fine. Thanks.

Quinn

07-10-10, 02:17 AM

Its in the suggestion area. We can't really confirm anything without you though, so you should read it. Also, for my mapmaking, I'm also really wanting to know about the map thing Neon did.

Cranky Guy

07-10-10, 07:04 AM

BTG, it doesn't really matter if the demo is late, is it? Plus, we are almost done with the gyms(I think). And isn't there still a lot of work for the release of the demo? And instead of just arguing with quinn, u could be help us with the gyms. It would get finished faster if u helped.

Merlin

07-12-10, 10:15 PM

yes if we actually worked on the gyms rather than argue it'd be a little better and a heck of a lot faster...
so to go over things:
anywhere from 8-12 gyms (is that right?)
so far like 2-4 gyms are complete with their own personal styles
arrangement of a couple of gym leaders is in needed

and i was wondering what will the other 4 or so gyms be giving out or are they just "empty" gyms (meaning no hms)

Quinn

07-12-10, 10:52 PM

Ironicly, I have yet to see softwind's gym in a while.

The added gym leaders aren't a confirmation yet. Dont wanna venture into the dark.

Like all games, some gym badges allow HM use, while others just do either nothing or add speed power, or attack or whatever.

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-12-10, 11:11 PM

Every Gym allows a specific HM use, starting from GSC I believe.

Cyndadile

07-12-10, 11:24 PM

Starting from RBY, I thought. Except for the Kanto gyms in GSC, and 7 Kanto and 1 Johto gym in HGSS.

Zenith

07-12-10, 11:31 PM

Who unlocks what depends on how the Leaders end up rearranged.

...while others just do either nothing or add speed power, or attack or whatever.
How did they do that in the games, anyway? Did they give everyone on your current team a certain amount of effort points?

Quinn

07-12-10, 11:45 PM

^I actually have no idea. I think it just made it so when you level up, you get a pinch more, though I'm not sure. O.o

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-13-10, 08:11 AM

I think it may have just been a +1 on said stat by default.

Merlin

07-13-10, 08:47 PM

i'm thinking it's an event switch where if you have badge # u get stat # or you're allowed to use hm/move #
basically it would consist of about 8 switches where you would turn them on after obtaining each badge. So what'd happen would be you get like Brock's badge or something and then it'll turn on the switch for having gained the Stone Badge (or whatever it was) and it would then allow you to use the HM Cut (or whatever) as well as turning on the script for boosting something like the Attack Stat by 1...

And the 'every gym has an HM' didn't appear until RSE and was later applied to FRLG where you had to go to like 3 island or something to obtain HM 08 Waterfall.

Also I'm thinking that if we're still working on the gyms by the time the demo comes out we could just leave the standard gyms and locations of each leader alone but put in something with one of them saying "I'm going to change gyms in a couple of months." as a way of letting people know that the gym leader will be in a new location by the time the completed game comes out. Course it would also be good to put in something like gyms closed for renovation should somebody manage to make it to the 3rd gym or go back to gyms 1 & 2, along with each gym leader saying they're gonna change the look of their own gym to make them look a little more like the types they have.

Doing this could allow us to continue work on the gyms while the work for the demo is continuing and then after the demo's released start adding on the extra gyms and changing the existing ones. So we can now fight over what happens to some of the gym leaders and the way each gym is supposed to look...---An alternative to changing the gyms is they could say: "I'm thinking of changing gyms soon..." or something like that so just in case we all decide that the gym leaders should stay put we wont look like idiots for having kept them there when they said they're gonna change when...

Quinn

07-17-10, 02:41 AM

lets get some bird going on! Dont mind the black in the back.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/SoftwindGym2.png
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd123/quintinbruderer/SoftwindGym.png

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-17-10, 11:25 AM

That's therma's right? Why not just have spinning blades type fans? It represents air (which is classed under Flying) and thermals (tying in with Therma's name) and is linked to the library thing (AC anyone?).

Quinn

07-17-10, 04:35 PM

THATS WHAT I HAD BEFORE. Along with the windmill of course, but still.

come one people...I dont wanna be jumping back and forth.

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-17-10, 05:25 PM

No no no
Three bladed fans
Like this:
http://www.subzeropcs.com/images/a_delta_120mmX_38mm_triple_blade_fan_-250x248.jpg

Merlin

07-19-10, 11:22 PM

this i know is gonna be fun...
alright but don't make them too large...

Black Temple Gaurdian

07-20-10, 01:00 PM

Actually, looking at your orginal gym for Therma, I like it better than any of the others you did for it. Just replace the windmill with something more library-y. OH I KNOW, you know the glass bits of the roof of I-think-it's-Silph Co. ? Have that down the middle. It'll look like a skylight for more relaxing reading.

So yeah, if you can post your original Therma's gym sans windmill, I'll make the edits.

Merlin

07-20-10, 09:39 PM

actually a skylight does make sense cause i've been a few libraries and they all have skylights of some form especially the one i'm in...

Silver

07-20-10, 11:13 PM

your in a library?

Merlin

07-20-10, 11:47 PM

yep
kinda one of the reasons why i'm not really able to do much on here cept comment and criticize....
btw i like ur bug sig.

my library looks like it's 2 stories tall but it's only 1 and the central "hallway" has windows over it (the 2nd story part) and can be problematic should you come in by about 11 or 12 when the sun decides to show thru and blind you...

Silver

07-21-10, 05:01 PM

yep

btw i like ur bug sig.
thanx

Quinn

07-24-10, 01:31 AM

looks like the skyroof was already talked about :P damn it! Oh well. Check it out on my gift area.

Merlin

08-06-10, 08:32 PM

it can still be talked about we haven't settled on how it'll look just yet...

Tyrannigon64

01-22-11, 04:43 AM

Why do the exteriors have to be different? Can't they all be the same like in the original games? Also, I would like to help for the design of the interior. I wouldn't use regular tile sets, it would just be a very basic map of the gym, but with puzzle elements mixed into it. I don't think we have to worry about Froy's gym in the way of puzzle elements, because it seems to be a pattern that the first gym never has any kind of puzzle elements, just a straight path to the leader with a couple trainers, sometimes with another path to avoid said trainers. It's the other eleven gyms where puzzles may need to be thought of. Someone else suggested a trivia sort of thing for Softwind, which makes sense. The grass gym could have pitfalls that send you down to the basement where trainers lurk. Ice gym could be freezing and melting ice. I'll try to make something for the first couple of gyms, just because I want something to do.

Sev

01-22-11, 01:10 PM

Tyrannigon64

01-22-11, 03:35 PM

Aw, crap! My gym isn't accepted by the album because it's so big. I have it done, I just need to go resize it.

Edit: Just resized it and the album still wont accept it! Does anyone else have any suggestions?

XTS

01-22-11, 06:05 PM

Split it up into smaller pieces, maybe fourths or eights or something, and save each one separately. Then just post the images here and arrange them in the shape of the gym as a whole.

Tyrannigon64

01-22-11, 06:28 PM

That sounds kind of tedious, but it might be the only way... Okay, I'll try that.

Edit: It worked! Here it is. I hope it doesn't confuse people
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White space= Player can step here
Grey space= Something occupies this space
Yellow space = Entrance/Exit
A= Gym Trainer (facing east)
B= Gym Trainer (facing west)
C= Gym Trainer (facing south)
D= Froy (facing south)

Sev

01-22-11, 07:01 PM

i can never see your pics cuz you dont use image shack!!!!

BladeVap

01-22-11, 07:24 PM

He doesn't HAVE to use ImageShack. A lot of us do, but not everyone does.

Tyrannigon64

01-22-11, 08:06 PM

Really? You'd think you'd be able to see pictures that are in my album on my Topaz account... You can't see any of my pictures?
Also, finished Softwind.

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Blue space: Player can stand here
Yellow space: Entrance/exit
Grey space: Wall (on the lower part with the space and N in it, it's a counter)
Brown space: Bookshelf, player cannot stand here
Peach space: Table, player cannot stand here
Red space: Entrance to a small rectangular room containing Therma (no obstacles in said room)
A: Non-fiction book. Can be read by the player. Contains reading about a famous person in the Pokemon world
B: Fantasy book. Can be read by the player. Contains reading of a fictional story that could never happen, even in the Pokemon world.
C: History book. Can be read by the player. Contains reading of history of the Pokemon World (not Arceus, because he's fourth gen)
D: Sci-Fi book. Can be read by the player. Contains reading from a fictional futuristic story.
E: Fairy tale book. Can be read by the player. Contains reading of Pokemon-ified version of classic fairy tale.
F: Biology book. Can be read by the player. Contains reading of information of the biology of a Pokemon.
G: Gym trainer. Faces east
H: Gym trainer. Faces east
I: Gym trainer. Faces east
J: Gym trainer. Faces west
K: Gym trainer. Faces west
L: Gym trainer. Faces east
M: This person blocks the way to Therma. Answer his/her questions about books A-F and he/she will step aside
N: Librarian. Maybe he/she tells you about advantages/disadvantages of flying Pokemon.

Sev

01-22-11, 08:13 PM

i can see some...

SilentSentinel

01-22-11, 11:36 PM

I really like Softwind's layout.

ImmunityBow

01-23-11, 03:54 AM

Softwind's layout is aesthetically very pleasing but I'm worried that some people mind find the puzzle a little too boring?

Maybe if we just made the info really interesting it'd work out fine. Also, you might want to make sure more of the tiles allow you to read the books because sometimes trainers could walk up in front of the books and block them off, which would be really annoying.

I'm actually really game for making things up about the Topaz world, it's one of my favourite parts of the creation process. So I'll try to come up with something.

Tyrannigon64

01-23-11, 04:04 AM

I was thinking that the trainers wouldn't approach you until they you're right in front of the book.

ImmunityBow

01-23-11, 04:09 AM

Just for programming's sake, it's easier to place one event on two tiles than for the programmer to have to check every time he places a trainer for changes to their line of sight.

Tyrannigon64

01-23-11, 04:12 AM

What do you mean by placing an event on two tiles? How about they just go back to where they were when you finish battling? Would that work?

ImmunityBow

01-23-11, 04:31 AM

That would take even longer. To get text to show when you press a button on a certain tile, you have to put something called an event on that tile which calls up the text. It's easy just to copy and paste one event on to more than one tile. It's a two-second fix that's way simpler than anything else.

Cyndadile

01-23-11, 01:03 PM

Why do the exteriors have to be different?

They don't, its just something we'd do for fun if we had the time.

I also like your idea for Softwind. Maybe, for the trainers, we could have them pacing around the bookcases while you are looking for the books? It might be difficult to progran, I don't know if moving trainers would work in RPGMXP.

Tyrannigon64

01-23-11, 09:58 PM

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Better?

Anyways, what should the other gyms have for puzzles?

ImmunityBow

01-23-11, 11:47 PM

It doesn't really make sense for you to be able to read a book from both sides of a bookshelf.

There was an ideas for gym puzzles thread somewhere, though I don't remember where.

Tyrannigon64

01-23-11, 11:50 PM

It's not a bookshelf, the brown spaces are bookshelves, the peach spaces are tables that the books are on.

Sev

01-23-11, 11:55 PM

i can't even see it...

Tyrannigon64

01-23-11, 11:57 PM

Sorry, I can't help you.

Cyndadile

01-24-11, 01:26 AM

i can't even see it...

Use Chrome, or Safari (which you should have if you own an iPod).

Reliability

01-24-11, 10:24 PM

Firefox also works.

Wouldn't it be possible to avoid all of the trainers when you use this set-up?

Tyrannigon64

01-27-11, 07:53 PM

Yes, I guess it would allow trainers to avoid the trainers, but you can do that in previous gyms, especially earlier ones, and almost always the first one. Oh, and I've tried Portwind.

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Brown space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/Exit.
Light grey triangle: Mirror that reflects light. Can be moved with the move Strength. Is reset to its original position if player leaves and re-enters the gym.
Dark grey triangle: Mirror that reflects light. Can not be moved with Strength.
Blue space: Glass. Light can travel through here. Mirrors can not be pushed through here, nor can the player stand here.
A: Produces beam of light that travels east when B is stepped on. Light can go through glass and be reflected off of mirrors.
B: Switch that causes A to produce a beam of light.
C: Switch that activates when light is directed at its eastern side. Once activated, E will disappear.
D: Trainer. Faces east. Will only battle player if he/she is one space ahead of him. All trainers do this.
E: Gate. Disappears/retracts when C is activated.
F: Switch that activates when light is directed at its eastern side. Once activated, H will disappear.
G: Trainer. Faces east.
H: Gate. Disappears/retracts when F is activated.
I: Switch that activates when light is directed at its western side. Once activated, J will disappear.
J: Gate. Disappears/retracts when I is activated.
K: Warps trainer to L when stepped on.
L: When trainer steps on K, they appear here.
M: Trainer. Faces north.
N: Warps trainer to O when stepped on.
O: When trainer steps on N, they appear here.
P: Trainer. Faces east.
Q: Switch that activates when light is directed at its eastern side. Once activated, T will disappear.
R: Warps trainer to S when stepped on.
S: When trainer steps on R, they appear here.
T: Gate. Disappears/retracts when Q is activated.
U: Tristan.

Is it okay?

Tyrannigon64

01-29-11, 04:25 AM

Main gym:
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Extra room:
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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Light blue space: Bridge. Player can stand on and under here.
Yellow space: Bridge. Player can stand on, but not under here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Blue space: Part of a tower. Blocks players above and below light blue bridges.
Purple space: Box. It is placed on top of a light blue space, so players can pass under it, as doing so is passing under the bridge as well. Players can not stand here if he/she is on the bridge.
Green space: Box. It is place on top of a yellow space, so players may not pass under it. Players on the bridge may not stand here.
Red space: Entrance/exit.
A: There is a gate that takes up the spaces NORTH of these ones. Alternatively, this is fire. Player may not pass through gate/fire.
B: Door. If player goes through it, places player on the bridge one space west of C.
C: Door. If player goes through it, places player on floor one space south of B.
D: Trainer. Switches between facing west and north every three seconds.
E: Trainer. Switches between facing west and south every three seconds.
F: Door. If player goes through it, places player on the bridge one space north of G.
G: Door. If player goes through it, places player on the bridge one space east of F.
H: Trainer. Switches between facing east and west every three seconds.
I: Trainer. Switches between facing west and north every three seconds.
J: Door. If player goes through it, places player on the bridge one space east of K.
K: Door. If player goes through it, places player on the bridge one space south of J.
L: Trainer. Switches between facing south and east every three seconds.
M: Trainer. Switches between facing east and north every three seconds.
N: Door. If player goes through it, places player in the extra room one space east of P.
O: Wolfe.
P: Door. If player goes through it, places player on the bridge one space west of N.
Q: Princess. If any of the trainers see her, they will battle you like normal, if they haven't already, and then take her back to the extra room. The trainers won't care if they see you, unless they haven't battled you yet. She will somehow get the gate lowered so you can fight Wolfe. Alternatively, this is a suit of armour. If a trainer sees you wearing it, they will take it away from you. They won't care if they see you without it. It allows you to get through fire. (Make sure you've read all of A to fully understand this)

I'd like some feedback, at least telling me if this could possibly be used, or if it would be too hard to program. I would also like some feedback for Portwind gym.

P.S. Sorry about having such a looooong post. :P

Tyrannigon64

01-29-11, 09:55 PM

Kalypso is all about music, right? Would it be okay for the gym to be mainly about drums?

Tyrannigon64

01-30-11, 08:02 PM

I've got Aquapolis done.
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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/exit.
A: Annoying guy. When the player first enters the gym, he automatically talks to you and says "Go and speak to everyone in this gym and find out which one of them is a liar. This gym specializes in the Dark type, which is weak to Light and Fighting, but is unaffected by Psychic and Ghost types."
B: Trainer. Says "C tells the truth." when spoken to.
C: Trainer. Says "I can not see the gym leader from here, no matter which direction I face." when spoken to.
D: Trainer. Says "The people next to me tell the truth." when spoken to.
E: Trainer. Says "B tells the truth." when spoken to.
F: Trainer. Says "The gym leader is in this room, but is disguised." when spoken to.
G: Trainer. Says "Either I or E is lying. I'm not sure which one, but I know that one or the other is lying." when spoken to.
H: Trainer. Says "There are two liars, not just one, and D is n ot one of them." when spoken to.
I: Trainer. Says "Either G or H is lying. I'm not sure which one, but I know that one or the other is lying." when spoken to
All trainers and the annoying guy face south.

The answers are in the spoilers in case anyone wants to figure it out.

B tells the truth
C tells the truth
D tells the truth
E tells the truth
F tells the truth
G tells lies
H tells the truth
I tells the truth
Layla is disguised as the annoying guy (A). Note how he said that ghost types do no damage to dark types. The problem is, I don't know how to make the player able to accuse people of being liars without it being obvious that you can expose the "annoying guy"

If the person is telling the truth and you accuse them of being a liar, you have to fight them.

Okay, I admit it, I got help in making the clues.

SilentSentinel

01-30-11, 09:23 PM

That's an awesome puzzle idea though. I always liked those liar puzzles.

Cyndadile

01-30-11, 10:23 PM

Sounds good!

Tyrannigon64

01-31-11, 02:23 AM

What order are the gyms supposed to be visited in and what HM is enabled from each badge? Also, what are the names of the badges?

Reliability

01-31-11, 02:41 PM

H says that there are two liars. Isn't there only one?

But I like everything you've put up. Great job!

Tyrannigon64

01-31-11, 03:02 PM

I swear, uploading these is almost as hard as making them. This is Roothaven. Also, my albums are starting to get full, so unless someone could suggest something, I'm going to have to create a new account just for uploading more images.

Floor B2
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Floor B1
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Floor 1
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Floor 2
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Floor 3
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Floor 4
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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/exit.
Green space: Stairwell/ladder. If the player steps here, they go to the red space directly above them.
Red space: Stairwell/ladder. If the player steps here, they go to the green space directly below them.
A: Trainer. Faces north.
B: Trainer. Faces south.
C: Trainer. Faces north.
D: Trainer. Faces east.
E: Trainer. Faces south.
F: Somehow, I skipped right to G. Fail.
G: Trainer. Faces east.
H: Trainer. Faces north.
I: Trainer. Faces north.
J: Trainer. Faces west.
K: Trainer. Faces south.
L: Fernando.
M: Trainer. Faces north or west

I doubt that all those trainers are going to be there. Also, I just realized that there is a green space that leads somewhere with no red space. Pretend there is a red space right in the center of B1.

Edit: I made another gym. I'm glad it's so small, otherwise I probably couldn't upload it. This one is Kalypso.

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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/exit.
A: Red drum. Can be hit by the player.
B: Blue drum. Can be hit by the player.
C: Yellow drum. Can be hit by the player.
D: Green drum. Can be hit by the player.
E: Purple drum. Can be hit by the player.
F: Black drum. Can be hit by the player.
G: Trainer. Faces south.
H: Trainer. Faces north.
I: Trainer. Faces south.
J: Trainer. Faces north
K: Jane.
L: Wooden stand with paper on it. If read by the player, it shows a red quarter note, a blue quarter note, and another red quarter note.
M: Wooden stand with paper on it. If read by the player, it shows a blue quarter note, a red quarter note, and yellow quarter note. All the quarter notes are backwards.
N: Wooden stand with paper on it. If read by the player, it says "A, B, C..."
O: Wooden stand with paper on it. If read by the player, it says "Pikachu, Magikarp, Spidream, Cacnea, Embear."
P: Wooden stand with paper on it. If read by the player, it says "A, B, C. Zubat, Psyduck, Murkrow, Whispaw, Ekans."
Q: Gate. Will retract once the drums are hit in the following order: Red, blue, red.
U: Gate. Will retract once the drums are hit in the following order: Yellow, red, blue.
S: Gate. Will retract once the drums are hit in the following order: Blue, green, red, yellow.
T: Gate. Will retract once the drums are hit in the following order: Yellow, red, purple, green, red.
U: Gate. Will retract once the drums are hit in the following order: Purple, black, yellow, red, blue.

Tyrannigon64

01-31-11, 11:09 PM

H says that there are two liars. Isn't there only one?

Did you or did you not read the spoilers? H is telling the truth, and there are two liars. One of them is Layla, but she's in disguise. She's also the one to tell you that there is only one liar. It's the annoying guy! Layla's in disguise as the annoying guy! Isn't that so unexpected?

ImmunityBow

02-01-11, 02:04 AM

These seem pretty cool. I don't recall there every having been a mirror sprite or such so it'd have to be made, but that doesn't seem too difficult.

Tyrannigon64

02-01-11, 03:20 PM

I think I did something wrong when making the clues for Aquapolis. Here is the corrected version:

White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/exit.
A: Annoying guy. When the player first enters the gym, he automatically talks to you and says "Go and speak to everyone in this gym and find out
which one of them is a liar. This gym specializes in the Dark type, which is weak to Light and Fighting, but is unaffected by Psychic and Ghost types."
B: Trainer. Says "I tells the truth." when spoken to.
C: Trainer. Says "I am unable to see the gym leader from here, no matter which direction I face." when spoken to.
D: Trainer. Says "The people next to me tell the truth." when spoken to.
E: Trainer. Says "B tells the truth." when spoken to.
F: Trainer. Says "The gym leader is in this room, but is disguised." when spoken to.
G: Trainer. Says "Either B or I is lying. I'm not sure which one, but I know that one or the other is lying." when spoken to.
H: Trainer. Says "There are two liars, not just one, and D is not one of them." when spoken to.
I: Trainer. Says "Either G or H is lying. I'm not sure which one, but I know that one or the other is lying." when spoken to
All trainers and the annoying guy face south.

Tyrannigon64

02-05-11, 02:57 AM

This is Skobeloff gym. If anyone has any suggestions for other gyms or how I can improve the current gyms, I'd be willing to listen.

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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Light blue space: Ice. When player steps here, they slide in the direction they were facing until they hit a wall, object, or white space.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/Exit.
A: Hole. If player presses J, the hole gets filled with clumps of ice and can be walked across.
B: Hole. If player presses C, the hole gets filled with clumps of ice and can be walked across.
C: Switch. Drops clumps of ice on B and H.
D: Hole. If player presses M, the hole gets filled with clumps of ice and can be walked across.
E: Hole. If player presses G, the hole gets filled with clumps of ice and can be walked across.
F: If player presses G, this space gets blocked with clumps of ice and can no longer be walked across.
G: Switch. Drops clumps of ice on F, E, and P.
H: If player presses C, this space gets blocked with clumps of ice and can no longer be walked across.
I: Ledge. Only allows the player to go west over it.
J: Switch. Drops clumps of ice on K and A.
K: If player presses J, this space gets blocked with clumps of ice and can no longer be walked across.
L: If player presses M, this space gets blocked with clumps of ice and can no longer be walked across.
M: Switch. Drops clumps of ice on N, L, and D.
N: If player presses M, this space gets blocked with clumps of ice and can no longer be walked across.
O: Ice clumps that block the path of the player.
P: If player presses G, this space gets blocked with clumps of ice and can no longer be walked across.
Q: Trainer. Faces west. Will not go onto the ice.
R: Trainer. Faces west. Will not go onto the ice.
S: Trainer. Faces west. Will not go onto the ice.
T: Trainer. Faces east. Will not go onto the ice.
U: Christina.
V: Ledge. Only allows the player to go south over it.

ImmunityBow

02-05-11, 09:21 PM

Seems good, though of course it'd have to be tested first because it's hard to figure out a puzzle without actually playing it out.

Quinn

02-05-11, 10:55 PM

that one you gotta think about, the liar one...ITS INSANELY awesome if what I hear is true bout the annoying guy...yet seems kinda tough for a more dumb based audience as of like myself. Not sayin it needs to be a cakewalk, just sayin maybe easier ish.

XTS

02-06-11, 12:13 AM

In reality, the guy just says "go talk to all the other people". Even if you can't logic it out, when you go back he'll likely reveal himself/herself to be Layla.

ImmunityBow

02-06-11, 02:23 AM

I like the liar idea as a concept, since it relates so well to the "evil" side of Dark-type moves rather than just the "lack of light" that doesn't embody most of them. As XTS said, since guessing wrong means you just have to fight the trainer, eventually you'll be led to Layla in the end. People might need the experience anyway and fight everyone else first since Layla's Pokemon are pretty high-leveled.

Tyrannigon64

02-06-11, 03:08 AM

I played through Skobeloff gym by moving my cursor along the path and changing the colour of letters as I "press" the switches. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get stuck, but if someone sees a way, please tell me. As for Aquapolis, I'd like to have battling trainers be an option so that if you're not good at this kind of thing, you can battle the trainers. But it's so much more satisfying to figure it out. Were you able to figure it out, did you just look at the concept of it being a liar puzzle, or did you look at the spoilers?

ImmunityBow

02-06-11, 01:51 PM

I'll just spoiler tag everything in response:

It's not too difficult to work out mostly, because, by definition, people who say "X" tells the truth or otherwise eliminate others as liars can't be liars themselves, so that eliminates B to F totally from contention.

That leaves, G, H, I and the annoying guy. H can't be lying, because G would have to be lying, so there must be two, so A must be lying.

What I don't get is with G and I:

If G is lying, I is not lying, things work out.
If I is lying, G is not lying, things still work out.

So either one really could be lying. It doesn't matter anyway, since by now you know that A is lying, but still on principle there should be an answer.

Also, people might not realize that A is an option, and may not even realize they can go back and talk to him, which would a source of needless frustration. I think if you correctly deduce the second liar (whether it be G or I) they should say "As you probably have guessed, our leader is not who you suspect. Go back to the entrance and face your challenge." Or perhaps something even more obvious than that.

Tyrannigon64

02-06-11, 02:58 PM

But if you talk to H, you have to assume that there is a possibility of him telling the truth, so one could assume that it is possible that, for example, that E is lying, because he says that B is telling the truth, so both could be lying.

This is how one should figure it out.

G says that either B or I are lying. B says that I tells the truth, so that means that either he's lying, making I a liar, or he's telling the truth, making I a truth-teller, so G must be lying, because they both either lie or tell the truth.

Once you accuse him of being a liar (I still don't know how we should do that. Maybe a key that isn't normally used?), he'll be forced to tell the truth (didn't think of that part until after I posted) and he will say something along the lines of "I used to be a liar, but now I tell the truth (talking about himself, not the person "I"), although others still refer to me as a liar. Both B and I are telling the truth."

If you speak to I, who you now know tells the truth, he will tell you that either G or H is lying. You know that G is a liar, so H must be the truth teller.

H says that there are two liars. Logically, he must be telling the truth. He also says that D is not a liar. If you speak to D, he says that the people next to him (i.e. to his left and his right) are telling the truth.

We've already established that B tells the truth, but now we know that F tells the truth. F says that the gym leader is disguised. Maybe he should also say that the gym leader always lies and will reveal herself if you accuse her of lying.

E says that B tells the truth, which we know to be true. The last person left is C, and he says that he can not see the gym leader from where he stands no matter which direction he faces. He also says that the people he could see by looking in different directions tell the truth (see below the spoilers). We know that B and E tell the truth, so he must be telling the truth when he says that he can't see the gym leader. Confused, people will eventually talk to the annoying guy again, or check a walkthrough.

The annoying guy says says that there is one liar, though we already know that there are two. He also says that Ghost type attacks have no effect on Dark types, which is also not true. At this point, someone will either check a walkthrough or accuse the annoying guy as lying, then Layla reveals herself. Then the battle commences.

I think the only other ways to figure it out is to look up a walkthrough or battle everyone.

I also have an edit for one of the clues:

C now says "I can not see the gym leader from here, no matter which way I face, but the people I could see (B and E) are truth tellers.

ImmunityBow

02-06-11, 05:21 PM

Sorry, I was looking at the wrong clues, but I've still put my thought process regarding the change below. Changing C is irrelevant, as shown in the spoiler.

Unless you count the atrociously wrong typing description (Bug is SE on Dark, Ghost is NVE on Dark, not totally ineffective), then A isn't lying. All A does is command you to find a liar. That can't ever be interpreted as a lie. Better wording would be "One person here is a liar. That person is the gym leader you must face." Also, with this edit you don't need to make C so obvious, because those who are not gym leaders are automatically truth tellers anyway.

BCDEF are obviously cleared through easy logic, I had it written out but it was erased by an accidental page change so I won't rewrite it.
Now for G, H and I:
If G is lying B and I are either both lying or both telling the truth. Both can't be lying, obviously, since B is telling the truth (and because that would make 3-4 liars). Thus, both must be telling the truth. If I is indeed telling the truth since H isn't lying G must be lying. This is a possibility.
H can't be lying because D isn't lying, so A must be lying.
if I is lying G and H are either both lying or both telling the truth. As said before both can't be lying, thus both must be telling the truth. If G is telling the truth then since B isn't lying I is lying, this also a possibility.

Now that you've changed B to say that I is telling the truth it works out, but it didn't before you changed it.

Tyrannigon64

02-06-11, 05:51 PM

It isn't that A is lying, it's that he isn't telling the truth. He has to tell you what you're supposed to do. Him saying "That person is the gym leader you must face" is too confusing to figure out whether it's a lie or not. It is partially true, because one of the liars (him) is the gym leader, and partially false because he says that the only liar is the gym leader. I used a command because that's the only way I could think of to get the information across to the player without him technically telling the truth. We need to find some way for him to tell you what to do without telling the truth.

What easy logic did you use to rule out BCDE and F? It may not work due to the possibility of H telling the truth, therefore there could possibly be two liars. I'm guessing you used the logic of "If X says Y is telling the truth, X must be telling the truth, because if he was lying, they would both be lying", but both of them lying could technically happen because there is the possibility of two liars.

ImmunityBow

02-07-11, 03:41 AM

That doesn't work because A must then be a liar too, which makes for three liars. Even if you don't take A into account, it's easy enough to figure out that B is telling the truth and work from there.

Tyrannigon64

02-07-11, 01:20 PM

No, I'm saying that to the player, there is the possibility of there being two liars. They don't know that A is one of the liars, all they know is that there is a possibility of more than one of them lying. Also, please explain the "easy logic" you used to rule out BCDE and F. I want to understand how you got to that conclusion.

ImmunityBow

02-08-11, 01:22 AM

Sure, the only reason I didn't explain it before was that I typed it out and lost it all by accident.

If B is lying, then I must be lying. That would mean that both G and H must be telling the truth (since otherwise there would be 4-5 liars). But that's impossible, because if both B and I are lying, then G must be lying. So B is cleared.
That clears E.
Which clears C, since both B and E are clear.
Which clears D, since if he is lying, F is lying, which would mean that both G and I are lying, which makes many liars.
Which clears F.

Only two leaps of logic there, and they're pretty quick to resolve.

I still don't quite get where you're going with A. Is A Layla because A is one of the liars, or is A Layla simply because?

Tyrannigon64

02-08-11, 02:25 AM

Layla is disguised as A, and always lies until revealed to be a liar. Do you have any other questions/comments?Also, are my other gyms good enough to be in the game, or do they need tweaking? Or should they be ditched entirely?

SilentSentinel

02-08-11, 02:39 AM

I really hope this liar one gets in, at any rate.

ImmunityBow

02-08-11, 03:13 AM

No, I like all the gym designs, though many of them I'd like to actually get to playtest before handing a final verdict, since it's really hard to tell with some of them without actually mucking about in game. I wouldn't be paying as much attention to the liar one if I didn't like it, myself.

But it's still not clear what you're supposed to do. Find the liar? Why?
The main goal should be to find Layla, so the instructions should say how to find Layla:
Layla is in the room, and is a liar. Find her.
Maybe not those words exactly, but it should be along those lines.

Tyrannigon64

02-08-11, 03:29 AM

I thought of an alternative: there can be a back room, and the door to it is locked. A says "When you find the liar, you will be able to go to the back room, where Layla is waiting." This is not true, as A is Layla, but isn't confusing as it is in no way true. Also, how should one accuse a person of being a liar, without it being obvious that you are able to accuse A? I would suggest the use of a key on the keyboard that isn't normally used. I also came up with another idea. At the end of every person's statement, they say "Keep in mind that if you accuse me as a liar, you will have to battle me." which is only true if a truth-teller says it, and is only a lie if a liar says it. Probably not a very good idea, but no harm in mentioning it, right?

ImmunityBow

02-08-11, 03:50 AM

I think it shouldn't be too hard to program a "Accuse as liar" button as being "S" or something. Otherwise, seems fine.

Cyndadile

02-08-11, 08:05 PM

We don't even really need to get the demo out to playtest the gyms. Someone just needs to build the maps and place the events.

ImmunityBow

02-09-11, 01:54 AM

That doesn't mean they don't have to be playtested. There's a lot that you can catch by playing out the gyms that you wouldn't be able to easily when just figuring out the puzzles in your head.

Tyrannigon64

02-09-11, 04:42 PM

My friend says that the liar puzzle is too much of a copy of Legend of Zelda (to be specific, Phantom Hourglass). I disagree. Does anyone else agree with my friend?

NyteFyre

02-09-11, 07:30 PM

I've played Phantom Hourglass, before. Didn't like it too much. And anyway, I don't remember there being any kind of speech based puzzles.

Cyndadile

02-09-11, 08:12 PM

That doesn't mean they don't have to be playtested. There's a lot that you can catch by playing out the gyms that you wouldn't be able to easily when just figuring out the puzzles in your head.

No, I'm just saying that if anyone has RPG Maker XP they could just make a playtest of only the gyms, so we could potentially test them before the demo. I'm potentially getting it next weekend (the 19th), so if no one else does, I could put something together.

Also, Tyrranigon; sure the idea isn't completely origional, but I personally like it. Also, tell your friend that if he/she wants to have a say in Topaz's gyms, then he/she should join Topaz him/herself. :p

Tyrannigon64

02-09-11, 08:21 PM

I've played Phantom Hourglass, before. Didn't like it too much. And anyway, I don't remember there being any kind of speech based puzzles.

How far did you get? Did you get to the ice island (or whatever it's called) with the Anoukis? This is the puzzle: The chief of the Anoukis says that one of the other six Anoukis is lying (and is not lying himself). He wants you to find out who it is. I found the clues online.

FoFo says Gumo is honest.
Kumu says Mazo or Aroo is lying.
Dobo says Mazo is honest.
Gumo says Fofo or Aroo is lying.
Aroo says Kumu is lying.
Mazo says that he and Dobo are honest.

Aroo is the liar.

SilentSentinel

02-10-11, 01:06 AM

Yeah, I've finished phantom hourglass multiple times, so i know that puzzle pretty well. In all honesty though, LOZ is not the first to use the concept, that type of puzzle has been around for decades. It's never been in a pokemon game though, so I think we should use it.

NyteFyre

02-10-11, 03:26 AM

I've beaten the whole game once. Probably just didn't remember that part well. As i said, I didn't like the game all that much, so i guess it didn't stick as well in my memory. Other games, like OOT and MM, were fun, and I remember them quite well. I love them so....

Merlin

02-11-11, 01:08 AM

I own PH and i remember that part it was 6 people which was interesting.. As to the liar test, yes it's been done plenty of times before, i remember having to do tons of it in school for a while, nearly drove me insane cause i couldnt get it right for years.... (i finally did when i played PH though)
From what i've played of the Pokemon series no i dont think that they've ever done this anywhere in there so it would be great to have this in the game especially when dealing with the gym leader.
And as for that part with Layla being the annoying guy he could say that there is one liar in here find him. There would still be two liars but now it's very clear which ones are lying (a little) as the person at the entrance would be telling a lie and one of the other trainers would be telling a lie.
Unfortunately there's a slight problem with this particular puzzle. People who don't want to go through the trouble of finding the leader will by-pass identifying the 2 liars and just battle everyone in there until they've found the gym leader.
I actually remember when i went through the 5th gym in Diamond that i solved the problems but i forgot to go back and battle the trainers so i was in some major trouble as my pokes weren't leveled up from it, it bit me in the butt when i fought the E4 but i managed to get through alive.
I just think that something else should be set up in the gym so that you would have to (more or less) fight everyone even if you did figure out the solution.
I believe Wake's gym from PDP, and a few from RSE could also be solved without ever going through trainers.
(I'm not saying remove all alternative paths but make it so that one isn't clearly identifiable.)

Thought just occurred to me: in RSE there's a gym where it's dark inside and you would have to go through it blind till you found the leader, But if you've been through it several times you could just go visit him if without ever fighting the trainers. So how exactly would we try to make it harder for people to find the easy-to-follow alt. path once discovered?

Tyrannigon64

02-11-11, 01:47 AM

I think the trainer should have a choice as to whether or not he or she wants to battle trainers.
Like I mentioned above (in a spoiler), I think that the annoying guy should say "If you find the liar, you will be able to challenge Layla, who is waiting in the back room." Maybe once you find out that the annoying guy is Layla, she'll go into the back room. After you figure out the puzzle, (but before you actually challenge Layla) you can talk to the trainers. They will say "You already found Layla, so it doesn't matter whether or not I was lying. Or did you want to battle me? (show options "Yes" and "No")" I think that would work. It's better than Fuchsia gym in HG/SS (the gym where everyone is dressed as the leader and there were invisible walls). I remember once I was trying to fight everyone in the gym, but I accidentally challenged the real Janine thinking it was a fake Janine (I'm pretty sure that was her name).

Cyndadile

02-11-11, 01:51 AM

After you figure out the puzzle, (but before you actually challenge Layla) you can talk to the trainers. They will say "You already found Layla, so it doesn't matter whether or not I was lying. Or did you want to battle me? (show options "Yes" and "No")"

YES. Also, I think it would be hilarious if, once you battle Layla, the back room opens up and you find that they trapped the real annoying guy back there. Then he quickly goes over types and stuff.

Tyrannigon64

02-11-11, 02:00 AM

I agree, that would be hilarious.

NyteFyre

02-11-11, 02:27 AM

ol, nice! Sounds like a plan!

Merlin

02-11-11, 03:59 AM

lmao, epic
i didnt mean to actually prevent the players from actually being forced into fighting them i just meant that something could be set up to allow an alternative path that wouldn't be quickly identified. Some of the other gyms do that iirc... (unfortunately i forget which ones did that)
yes i think the annoying guy should be trapped in the back room, change up the game a little...

Tyrannigon64

02-11-11, 10:58 PM

I think this is a unique idea, but it might not work/be programmable. This is Gallea, BTW.

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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Brown space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Arrows: Spinner tiles. Forces player to go in the direction of the arrow until player touches a white space.
Grey space: Darkness. Player can not stand here unless a Darkproof potion has been applied to a party Pokemon. If destroyed by a Pokemon that has had an Anti-Dark potion applied to it, player may stand here no matter what.
Red space: Fire. Player can not stand here unless a Fireproof potion has been applied to a party Pokemon. If destroyed by a Pokmeon that has had an Anti-Flame potion applied to it, player may stand here no matter what.
Dark red space: Dark fire. Player can not stand here unless a Fireproof-D potion has been applied to a party Pokemon. If destroyed by a Pokemon that has had an Anti-Flame-D potion applied to it, player may stand here no matter what.
Light blue space: Obstacle (not sure what). Player may not stand here. Can not be destroyed.
Dark blue space: Obstacle (same as above). Has exact same properties as light blue spaces, but looks the same as darkness. If attacked by a Pokemon that has had an Anti-Dark potion applied to it, this space will look the exact same as light blue space, with same properties.

A: Cauldron. Can make Fireproof potions by default.
B: Switch. When stepped on, allows cauldron to make Darkproof potions.
C: Switch. When stepped on, allows cauldron to make Anti-Flame potions.
D: Switch. When stepped on, allows cauldron to make Anti-Dark potions.
E: Switch. When stepped on, allows cauldron to make Fireproof-D potions.
F: Switch. When stepped on, allows cauldron to make Anti-Flame-D potions.
G: Bella.

List of Potions used
Fireproof: Obtained by using SURF on the cauldron and extracting the potion. If applied to a Pokemon, player may travel across three tiles of fire. May only be applied to Pokemon with SURF. Does not change battle properties of SURF. Can be sold for $10.
Darkproof: Obtained by using FLASH on the cauldron and extracting the potion. If applied to a Pokemon, player may travel across three tiles of darkness. May only be applied to Pokemon with FLASH. Does not change battle properties of FLASH. Can be sold for $10.
Anti-Flame: Obtained by using CUT and SURF on the cauldron and extracting the potion. If applied to a Pokemon, player may get rid of three tiles of fire. May only be applied to Pokemon with CUT or SURF. Does not change battle properties of CUT or SURF. Can be sold for $10.
Anti-Dark: Obtained by using CUT and FLASH on the cauldron and extracting the potion. If applied to a Pokemon, player may get rid of three tiles of darkness. May only be applied to Pokemon with CUT or FLASH. Does not change battle propertiees of CUT or FLASH. Can be sold for $10.
Fireproof-D: Obtained by using SURF and FLASH on the cauldron and extracting the potion. If applied to a Pokemon, player may travel across three tiles of dark fire. May only be applied to Pokemon with SURF or FLASH. Does not change battle properties of SURF or FLASH. Can be sold for $10.
Anti-Flame-D: Obtained by using CUT, SURF, and FLASH on the cauldron and extracting the potion. If applied to a Pokemon, player may get rid of three tiles of dark fire. May only be applied to Pokemon with CUT, SURF, or FLASH. Does not change battle properties of CUT, SURF, or FLASH. Can be sold for $10.

SilentSentinel

02-11-11, 11:57 PM

That seems... complicated. I haven't read it word for word yet though.

Tyrannigon64

02-12-11, 03:46 AM

I got RPG Maker XP!!!! I'm trying to make a playtest of Skobeloff to get the hang of it. So far, I find it really easy. I'm having trouble making ledges though (I mean when they only let the player go one way). Does anyone have it who can help me?

Cyndadile

02-12-11, 12:41 PM

Do you have Poccil's Essentials?

Tyrannigon64

02-12-11, 02:40 PM

That's called Pokemon Essentials, right? I got that with the move animator. I guess I should be using these tiles instead of the tiles that come with the RPG Maker :P

ImmunityBow

02-12-11, 05:35 PM

I think there are too many restrictions to do with the potions. You could easily make it work still if you let the FIREPROOF potion be applied on non-Surf Pokemon, what would the real difference be? You still used SURF on the cauldron. Just cut down on the unnecessary complicated bits.

As for ledges, have you tried making an object on the same level as the player (so it cannot be walked on) that if you press the right arrow key teleports you to the right of the ledge?

Tyrannigon64

02-12-11, 06:31 PM

How do I do that?

Cyndadile

02-12-11, 09:54 PM

That's called Pokemon Essentials, right? I got that with the move animator. I guess I should be using these tiles instead of the tiles that come with the RPG Maker :P

Yes.

And teleport is an event thing, under move player.

Tyrannigon64

02-12-11, 10:53 PM

That's not the part that I wanted to know, it's how I make that only happen when he's facing one direction. Also, that's not a problem anymore, there are ledges that come with the Pokemon Essentials that don't need any events to work.

ImmunityBow

02-13-11, 04:31 AM

Okay then, but it would have worked both ways anyway, at least for testing purposes. If you were on the left, you would jump to the right. You couldn't be on the top or bottom since there's just more ledge there, and if you're coming in from the right you would just stay on the same tile since that's the one you're teleporting to.

Merlin

02-15-11, 11:42 PM

theres a move command in there for moving the character or other event, it lets u tell the event to jump, another thing is there is a directional control where u edit the tileset, i forget what it's labeled but it lets you determine whether the player can go through it in a certain direction.
as for setting it up for the character to jump when facing a specific direction (ignoring the other thing i mentioned) there's a button in there called conditional branch that u put in the event, and it will activate if the key pressed or player facing, etc. is matching. It also comes with an option to turn on/off the else handler.
Conditional branches are called If Then statements, very easy to work with (unless of course you want to add more that one option for doing anything)

Tyrannigon64

02-16-11, 12:20 AM

I get the ledges now, I don't need any more help, thanks.

Sev

02-19-11, 04:02 PM

whats cooking up here sounds good to my understanding

Tyrannigon64

02-27-11, 03:15 PM

Enechestra Gym.
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White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Purple space: Mine cart. If player goes into it, it follows the red tracks. Otherwise, player can not stand here.
Red tracks: Mine cart will travel along these if the player goes into it. Player can stand here unless there is a hole beneath it (i.e. coordinates (X 14, Y 7)).
Dark blue space: Hole. Player can not stand here.
Light blue space: Just there to group tracks that rotate together to make things easier. Pretend they are white.
A: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 3-4, Y 20-22) vertically.
B: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 19-22, Y 21-23) horizantally.
C: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 13-15, Y 27-28) horizantally.
D: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 8-10, Y 30-31) horizantally.
E: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 21-22, Y 30-32) vertically.
F: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 35-36, Y 23-25) vertically
G: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 19-20, Y 38-40) horizantally.
H: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 13-15, Y 36-37) vertically.
I: Switch. If the player activates it, it flips coordinates (X 30-31, Y 9-11) vertically.
J: Gym leader.

ImmunityBow

02-27-11, 07:26 PM

This seems cool except that it's very big for a gym. Is it possible to scale down the size a little? I don't think nine switches are necessary, six would probably be a little more manageable.

Also, for Therma's Gym, I was looking through my old sprites and came across this one:

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I edited it a bit (mainly hair and added collar), maybe it could work as a librarian in Therma's gym? The main gripe with it before was that it was too plain, so if someone wants to help fix that feel free. It's a full scratch by the way.

Tyrannigon64

02-27-11, 09:21 PM

Would five switches be okay? Also, I think your sprite's legs are a bit too long, but otherwise I like it.

Tyrannigon64

02-27-11, 10:26 PM

Edit button expired, therefore double post.

Before I made the Enechestra gym, I had an idea for an electric gym, but it was very similar to this (spinner tiles, where some of them can be changed by pressing switches, some of said switches being along the path and you press them while being pushed around by the spinner tiles). Should I bother posting it or should I come up with something else?

Cyndadile

02-27-11, 10:37 PM

Why not? If you've got the room in your album, might as well give it a chance.

ImmunityBow

02-27-11, 11:17 PM

Five switches seems fine.

MeekRhino

02-27-11, 11:50 PM

I actually think the sprite looks great the way it is. I'm sure it would be fine with slightly shortened legs also.

Reliability

02-28-11, 12:41 AM

Refer to this topic (http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/showthread.php?869-Trainer-Sprites&p=16458#post16458) for my edited version of IB's sprite.
I figure its a better place to discuss this anyway.

Tyrannigon64

02-28-11, 01:12 AM

Okay, I'll try to upload the Dynamo Gardens gym I thought of when I get the chance. BTW, I've thought of another basic idea for the Dynamo Gardens gym, not the actual layout just the idea, so I'll make that when I get the chance. I think my first priority, though, is to edit the existing Enechestra gym. Also, I can't think of anything for Saharan gym. Anyone have any ideas?

Reliability

02-28-11, 02:06 PM

For Saharan, I'd be down for a maze. There's a pervading Egyptian theme to the city, and a labyrinth seems to fit.

MeekRhino

02-28-11, 02:10 PM

I think that a labyrinth would be good, especially with limited vision (think the pyramid in battle frontier emerald version).

Tyrannigon64

02-28-11, 02:11 PM

It's Egyptian themed? I guess it's easier to think of an Egyptian gym than it is to think of just a Ground gym. Just a maze seems kind of boring though. I'd like to have booby traps, but I can't really think of any that would work. I'll see what I can think of.

Edit: MeekRhino posted while I was posting :P Yeah, limited vision could work, but I don't remember anything from the Battle Frontier. At all. So I don't really know what your talking about. I will when I get back to playing Sapphire though, which should be during March Break.

Reliability

02-28-11, 02:22 PM

Just be careful to not make it like Dewford, which was a maze with limited vision. I think that there ought to be switches which open walls or something, which would make it more complicated. There could be statues or drawings along the wall, with some of them really being trainers in costume.

And it would be awesome if we could have an indoor sandstorm combined with slight darkness, which would reduce visibility without copying Dewford.

Tyrannigon64

02-28-11, 02:31 PM

Riddles. It should have riddles. Sphinxes tell riddles, right? And yeah, the things you mentioned would be cool too.

Reliability

02-28-11, 02:48 PM

But we've already done the mental game in Aquapolis. Especially since they're right after each other, I think we should stay away from riddles.

Tyrannigon64

02-28-11, 04:30 PM

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Black Temple Gaurdian

02-28-11, 07:05 PM

Giant boulders!

Strength puzzle.

Cyndadile

02-28-11, 07:55 PM

Giant boulders!

Strength puzzle.

NyteFyre

02-28-11, 09:39 PM

I always thought there was going to be a mirror puzzle, ala Mario and Luigi 1 and LoZ:Ocarina of Time?

Tyrannigon64

02-28-11, 09:51 PM

I didn't get to those parts of those games. Either way, I did make a mirror puzzle for Portwind gym, and I think it makes more sense for a Light gym than it would for a Ground gym.

MeekRhino

03-01-11, 04:02 AM

Agreed, mirrors are better for light. I think that if we combine limited vision labyrinth w/ sandstorm with the strength puzzle idea it would make a decent gym

Tyrannigon64

03-01-11, 04:04 AM

But the mirror thing is sort of a strength puzzle; you use strength to move the mirrors.

MeekRhino

03-01-11, 11:14 AM

Oh. I didn't know that.

Reliability

03-01-11, 02:11 PM

ISSUE: You won't have strength when you get to Portwind as of right now, since you can't use it outside of battle until you beat Crys. It IS possible to change it, if we switch Rock Smash (unlocked at 2nd Gym) and Strength (Unlocked at 8th gym). Or, you should just be able to push the mirrors yourself, without having to use strength. Is that an option?

Tyrannigon64

03-01-11, 03:40 PM

Oh yeah, that would be a problem. The only things I can think of to remedy that are, like you said, switch Rock Smash and Strength, or redesign the gym with rotatable mirrors.

NyteFyre

03-01-11, 07:49 PM

Well, Mario and Luigi had switch activations, while LoZ had simply pushing and pulling them. Pushing them yourself sounds fine.

MeekRhino

03-01-11, 09:07 PM

Yes, I think that just pushing them would be ok. There is certainly precedent, i.e. the Veilstone gym punching bags (I believe that's the right city).

Cyndadile

03-01-11, 11:24 PM

redesign the gym with rotatable mirrors.

MeekRhino

03-02-11, 12:23 AM

That's a far more simple puzzle, and I don't it as well for that reason.

Tyrannigon64

03-02-11, 12:49 AM

You don't it as well?

MeekRhino

03-02-11, 12:10 PM

Lol. I don't like it as well.

Tyrannigon64

03-05-11, 03:30 AM

Sorry it took so long, I had lots of homework.
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=406http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=410
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=409http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=404
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=405http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=408
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=411http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=403
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=407

I'll try to upload my idea for Dynamo gym ASAP, but that might be tomorrow. Also, I had another idea for it. I haven't completed it on a map or anything, but I think it will be better than the first one.

Also, just confirming; the idea for Saharan gym is a limited vision strength puzzle, right? If so, how would the limited vision work?

Reliability

03-05-11, 05:30 AM

Like I said before, if we can have an indoor sandstorm and make it slightly darker, it would make it difficult to see.

ImmunityBow

03-05-11, 07:30 PM

RPGMaker allows you to overlay the screen with effects. A limited vision texture would probably be not much of a problem at all, especially if the gym is a pyramid like originally concepted. If you want to make rotating mirrors a little more difficult you can always place them in different rooms and on cross paths.

Tyrannigon64

03-05-11, 08:08 PM

But there's already a mirror puzzle for Portwind Gym. And Sunshine Cave.

Tyrannigon64

03-05-11, 08:42 PM

http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=417http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=413http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=416http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=412
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=415http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=419http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=418http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=414

White space: Empty space. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Yellow space: Entrance/exit.
Arrows: Spinner tiles. Y'know, the ones that force you to go in one direction until you hit a wall or something.
Purple space: If you're spinning and touch one of these, you stop spinning.
Green space: There are white spaces underneath this, so the player can stand on or under it.
A: Spinner that points north, but will cycle through the directions north, east, and west when a green lever is pulled.
B: Spinner that points north, but will cycle through the directions north and west when a red lever is pulled.
C: Spinner that points west, but will cycle through the directions west and north when a white switch is pushed.
D: Spinner that points south, but will cycle through the directions south and north when a yellow lever is pulled.
E: Spinner that points west, but will cycle through the directions west and east when a black lever is pulled.
F: Spinner that points north, but will cycle through the directions north and south when a blue lever/switch is pulled/pushed.
G: Spinner that points east, but will cycle through the directions east and north when a blue lever/switch is pulled/pushed.
H: Spinner that points east, but will cycle through the directions east and north when a orange lever is pulled.
I: Spinner that points east, but will cycle through the directions east and west when a purple lever is pulled.
J: Stairs going south to north.
K: Stairs going west to east.
L: Green lever. Changes direction of A when player presses the action button while facing it.
M: Red lever. Changes direction of B.
N: Blue switch. Changes direction of F and G when stepped on. Does not stop the effects of the spinners.
O: White switch. Changes direction of C when stepped on. Does not stop the effects of the spinners.
P: Blue lever. Changes direction of F and G when player presses the action button while facing it.
Q: Orange lever. Changes direction of H when player presses the action button while facing it.
R: Purple lever. Changes direction of I when player presses the action button while facing it.
S: Yellow switch. Changes direction of D when stepped on. Does not stop the effects of the spinners.
T: Black lever. Changes direction of E when player presses the action button while facing it.

I just realized I forgot to add trainers (I guess they can go wherever) and Gerad (He's in coordinates 23, 22)

ImmunityBow

03-06-11, 05:12 AM

Never mind then.

I think people are going to be overwhelmed by how many switches and levers there are in so many gyms. I think a more interesting application is when you travel over a tile it automatically "switches" so you just have to figure out the order. In that case it'd probably be wise to add a one-way escape route accessible from any part of the gym.

Tyrannigon64

03-06-11, 01:39 PM

Well like I said, I have a completely different idea as well, so I'll try to work with that idea and put it up so people can compare.

Tyrannigon64

04-21-11, 01:06 AM

On second thought, I think the idea mentioned above is way too complicated (and so is the idea that you mentioned, IB), so here's a much simpler gym.
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=557
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=556
White space: Normal floor. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Red arrows: Spinner tiles. Makes the player spin in the direction of the arrows if the player steps on it until (s)he hits a wall or stopper.
Purple space: Stopper. Makes the player stop spinning.
A: Red spinner. Points north originally, but toggles between north and east when red switch is pressed.
B: Yellow spinner. Points east originally, but toggles between east, west, and north when yellow switch is pressed.
C: Green spinner. Points south originally, but toggles between south and north when green switch is pressed.
D: Blue spinner. Points east originally, but toggles between east and north when blue switch is pressed.
E: Red switch.
F: Blue switch.
G: Green switch.
H: Yellow switch.
I: Gym trainer. Faces south.
J: Gym trainer. Faces west.
K: Gym trainer. Faces north.
L: Gerad.

Where did the idea for Gerad's name come from, anyways?

Also, I have Saharan Gym ready, but uploading isn't working. I've tried Google Chrome, Internet Explorer, and Firefox, and it still isn't working. In Chrome, the "Manage Attachments" window will not load. In IE, once I click upload, nothing is uploaded. And in Firefox, the "Manage Attachments" window is messed up.

ImmunityBow

04-21-11, 01:12 AM

I really like the fact that you've compacted the gym a lot, it looks a lot ore elegant now.

I think Gerad comes from Generate.

Have you tried uploading to a dedicated hosting site like imageshack.us instead?

Tyrannigon64

04-21-11, 01:39 AM

It's working now.
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=566
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=564
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=565
White space: Normal floor. Player can stand here.
Grey space: Wall. Player can not stand here.
Red square: Rock. Can be pushed by a Pokemon using STRENGTH. Can't be pushed into a wall, trainer, or ledge.
A: Gym trainer. Faces south.
B: Gym trainer. Faces west.
C: Gym trainer. Faces west.
D: Osiro.
E: Ledge. Player can only travel west through it.
F: Ledge. Player can only travel east through it.
G: Ledge. Player can only travel south through it.
H: Ledge. Player can only travel north through it.

It was hard to make it so the player can't trap him/herself.