FINAL PUSH!: 14 to Make, Many More to Edit

[Reliability]

Well, summer is over, and most of the back sprites have been at least made. Now, it's time to finish up the last few that need to be done and edit most of the ones that have been done so far.

Now, I hope to get some more done (whenever that will happen XD) but it would be wonderful if other people would step up to help out with the editing. Some will be easier than others, but in the end they all have to be done and I haven't the time or energy to do them all myself.

I haven't figured out the best way to release them for editing, but certainly the easiest is to give you two links:
The Backsprite Repository (http://www.pokemontopaz.net/repository/backsprites)
Back Sprites: What Has and Hasn't Been Done (http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/showthread.php?146-Back-Sprites-What-Has-and-Hasn-t-Been-Done)- Please refer to the last post for the latest list of the sprites yet to become official.

If it isn't clear what needs to be editied, look through the Summer Project and the old Backsprite Factory for the issues that were had with it. If it was a sprite made before the crash, there wont be anything to go by, so either try some edits yourself or post it and ask what issues there are.

It is equally important also to get feedback on the work that is being done, so if you're reading this, I challenge you to comment on every sprite that is posted in this topic as they appear. Even a "They're really good, I don't see any issues" is helpful because it will help the officialization process go quicker and have this whole business over and done with sooner.

Here is the list of Pokemon that have yet to be done (in no particular order):
Reefrain
Slowpreist
Tundrolf
Wolfrost
Allufang
Kunaiga
Throaxa
Blitzfaust
Metusk
Goldrake
Arowana
Drakodo
Cascadect
Zantilidae
Misticade
Snarliger
Typhinda
So, that's 17.

PLEASE help if you can! To start us off, here are the three I did today:
http://a.imageshack.us/img255/7861/156tundrolf.png
http://a.imageshack.us/img137/1434/182allufang.png
http://a.imageshack.us/img824/2645/190snarliger.png
3/17

[NyteFyre]

Allufangs is good all around, but the Icicles just seem tacked on there right now. Maybe a tuft of fur around it to make it seem like it's actually coming out of the back?

I'm not really sure what the first one is supposed to be, sorry. Is it supposed to be Tundrolf or something? The colors and position just seem off, if it is.

Snarliger is good, but it's muzzle could use a little more definition. I can hardly see it, and tell that it's snarliger.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

^ Almost completely disagree. And for the icicles (the only bit I agree on) I think it's because the bottom outline of them is is blue, not fur. Whereas the fur would encase the ice not visa versa.

[ikkyblob]

http://a.imageshack.us/img137/1434/182allufang.png

Is it okay if I edit this for you?

[Reliability]

Essentially, anything that I make is open for editing. It isn't really "mine," it belongs to Topaz.

[ikkyblob]

http://a.imageshack.us/img824/925/importantl.png

[Reliability]

Revamped to make the fur less... gloopy.
http://a.imageshack.us/img690/1434/182allufang.png

[NyteFyre]

Looks much better, this time around.

[totodileman]

very good!

[Reliability]

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2097/157wolfrost.png
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6250/181metusk.png

[ImmunityBow]

Wolfrost looks incredible.

Metusk, maybe a little too cropped? I feel that more of the head should be showing.

[SilentSentinel]

Wolfrost is quite awesome.

[ImmunityBow]

Ooh look, a Cascadet! (Sorry for taking one of the easier ones... again.)

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3696/cascadet.png

[Reliability]

The beak looks a little small in comparison with the body.

[NyteFyre]

Agreed. Wolfrost is Epic, and Cascadet is a bit misproprtioned.

[ImmunityBow]

Maybe I'll lower the tail a bit so that the body seems longer. "A bit misproportioned" isn't very clear so if you could clarify if I interpreted it right I'd be grateful.

[NyteFyre]

Well, the head is a bit big compared to the bill and body, and I thought that the tail was flat, like a Platypuss.

[ImmunityBow]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3696/cascadet.png

Better?

[NyteFyre]

Much, though the tail still seem like it's too rounded for me, but meh. would also be cool to see at least one of it's eyes.

[ImmunityBow]

That doesn't make any sense from the perspective though.

So I'm guessing you still don't really like the sprite?

[Reliability]

I think it's perfect.

[NyteFyre]

I'm fine with the sprite, I just feel something's off. But as i say, it could just be me.

[Reliability]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2166/183kunaiga.png
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6453/98slowpriest.png

[NyteFyre]

Kunaiga's eyes seem way too small, compared to the rest of it's body, and just plain look weird, compared to the sprite. maybe add a raised paw, and show a little more of the body?

Slowpries's colors look good, but it looks more painted than sprited, and the lines seem a tad shaky to me.

[Reliability]

maybe add a raised paw, and show a little more of the body?
There just isn't room to do that properly. It barely fits into the box widthwise as it is, and making it too much smaller would put it too close to Allufang's size for my liking.
[This also goes for Metusk, but I may be able to get a couple extra rows in for him...]

I don't see the eye thing personally, and the style of shading I used on Slowpriest is the exact same as the front sprite. But I do agree that the outlines are shaky, nor did I shade them either. :/

[NyteFyre]

i dunno why, but the eye seems like it should be bigger in scale, and not half closed, like they look. more of a complete oval, instead of an elbow macaroni.

[ImmunityBow]

I see what's wrong with Kunaiga. You need to expand the body so that it matches neck to neck with the head. You can actually completely fill in that space under the mane. Really nice job on the fur, you got it down well.

I like Slowpriest a lot. It's almost there though the hat seems like it could be neater.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Match the direction of the icicles to the direction the body'd be in (ie move them to the left more).

[Reliability]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6231/140blitzfaust.png
9/17

[ImmunityBow]

I couldn't really explain Kunaiga well enough so I just edited it:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9821/kunaiga.png

[NyteFyre]

Blitzfaust looks great, though the colors seem a bit too light compared to the sprite. If you could just burn it some, that would look fine.

Also, the Kunaiga edit looks much much better, though I'm still quite irked by the eye for some reason. I don't think the bottom part should curve up. It need to be convex on both the top and bottom to me.Also, I feel the mouth should be closed, to differentiate it from the sprite some.

[Reliability]

Blitzfaust looks great, though the colors seem a bit too light compared to the sprite. If you could just burn it some, that would look fine.
The colours are taken from the front sprite. They are the exactly the same and have to stay that way. The colours look lighter because the surface area is much bigger, as are the areas between the shades. The front sprite uses much more of the darkest shade than I do, but I'm trying to keep the colour balance on all my sprites as cohesive as possible.


Also, the Kunaiga edit looks much much better, though I'm still quite irked by the eye for some reason. I don't think the bottom part should curve up. It need to be convex on both the top and bottom to me.Also, I feel the mouth should be closed, to differentiate it from the sprite some.
I actually went and tried something like this when you first mentioned it, but I couldn't get it to look very good. And the curve only exists because of the placement of a single outline pixel, otherwise, it's a straight line.
I also think that the mouth should stay open, because it adds to the ferocity, and diffentiates from Allufang's backsprite, which I feel is more important that differentiating from the front sprite.

[NyteFyre]

Ok, that's fine and dandy, with Kunaiga, and Blitzfaust's colors, but the outlining is still pretty shaky.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Kunaiga = Bad
Look. At. The. Icicles!
For it to be like that one would have to be one the right side of the body and the other magically floating next to it, further to the right.
I.E. Move. Icicles. Left.

[Reliability]

I've said several times that I'm not doing edits until everything is done. IB's edit was simply to fix the body.

If. You. Want. Something. Done. Do. It. Yourself.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Too. Much. To. Do. Gaaaahhhh! *head explodes* So yeah. Stress=high atm.

[Cyndadile]

It looks to me like the head is just turned right. I'm fine with that.

[ImmunityBow]

BTG, you'd be very surprised how hard your suggestion is to implement. Kunaiga already fills the 80x80 box fully horizontally and there is absolutely no way we're doing a left-crop. We'll have to go with the "head turned" explanation, it doesn't really look that bad anyhow.

On another note, I'm really happy with all the buzz this topic is getting. Keep it up guys!

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

THANK YOU IB! For the motivation to do this (not that good but...):
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/9725/kungia3014312330iaza.gif

[Mediocrity_Incarnate]

Uh, the left icicle thingy is still kinda there. Blitzfaust looks pretty sweet though.

[ImmunityBow]

@BTG: As I said, no left crop. Your sprite is entirely unacceptable if you realize that that left icicle is cutting off into thin air. You see how it looks right now? It'll look like that in the game too.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

It's a WIP, had school so I couldn't continue (5 A levels, what the hell was i thinking?).

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Okay.
http://www.iaza.com/work/100923C/Kungia9114889430-iaza.gif

[Reliability]

You've made the left one too small. It should be larger.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

No it shouldn't. If I'm right and it's on the left shoulder it'd be further away and thus, smaller. Not to mention it may be at a different angle to the other one since the shoulder blade'd be in a different position.

[Cyndadile]

I'd like it if the spike-thingy on the left was higher and larger.

[ImmunityBow]

Better. I think you still have a bit more leeway in terms of moving the right icicle further right, which would help it not look as cramped. It does look better.

[Reliability]

No it shouldn't. If I'm right and it's on the left shoulder it'd be further away and thus, smaller. Not to mention it may be at a different angle to the other one since the shoulder blade'd be in a different position.
It shouldn't be as small as it is. Right now, even accounting for perception, it looks tiny in comparison. It really shouldn't be much smaller anyway, since it isn't far from one shoulder to the other. Probably no more than three pixels.

[Reliability]

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7189/197typhinda.png
It's awful, but I really just wanted to get it done. -.-

[ImmunityBow]

It's a very brave attempt with some good points. I actually think it's better as a placeholder than your Unicrown one.

I think that most of the right side is fine, and that this is a wonderful starting point since it's such a difficult Pokemon to convey.

[Betatmw]

If you removed the head which is facing towards the player then it would look really good.

[Reliability]

The only issue is that I'm already a head short. There are supposed to be seven, and that's only six right there...

[Reliability]

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1871/185goldrake.png
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/768/186arowana.png
I think Goldrake is good, but there is something too fat about Arowana's head. Or something. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS!!

[SilentSentinel]

Liking goldrake, I'm not sure how to fix Arowana though.

[NyteFyre]

you mean like the fact that Arowana's eyes are too small, and have no visible pupils, his head is too small compared to the front sprite, and i swear that snout is too small looking...Also, something seems awkward about that arm and hand...like it's bent farther up on the inside for some reason.

[ImmunityBow]

Goldrake's good, nicely done. Arowana needs a closer crop, I think, zoom it in a lot so you see mainly head and neck, more head than anything. If it fills the space enough I think you can better get that huge feeling from it.

[Cxisbest]

http://www.iaza.com/work/101024C/iaza1992189560300.gif

:/ I know something's wrong.

[ImmunityBow]

It's very zoomed in. Maybe you want to half the size? Turn it into a gif file first.

[Reliability]

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/676/82zantilidae.png
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1892/121drakodo.png
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/527/188thoraxa.png

Only Reefrain and Misticade are left.

[Shahin]

Is there any I can do? I know I'm a new member but I might be able to help

[Reliability]

Only Reefrain and Misticade are left.
SO feel free to do those if you like to scratch sprite.
But there are lots of others that need editing, if that isn't your thing. Refer to the first post of this topic. I'm planning to do the ones that aren't ready to be placeholders yet (the ones that aren't on the repository). Most of those sprites can be found in the Summer Project thread if you want to see them.

[Shahin]

Ok I know this is really bad but this could be a starting point... back sprite starter.PDN

[Shahin]

How do I upload it

[Reliability]

You'll need to use an image hosting site, like Imageshack/ (http://imageshack.us/) or Photobucket. You just have to upload it to that site, then set the URL it gives you in IMG tags.

[Shahin]

ok here it is its definantly needs edits but may be a starting point ( head colors are freaked out) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7705/backsprite.jpg

[Shahin]

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1871/185goldrake.png
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/768/186arowana.png
I think Goldrake is good, but there is something too fat about Arowana's head. Or something. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS!!

Maybe its because the flab from the chin straight to the lower throat give it more of a neck and cut down on some flab.

[Reliability]

...I'm not completely sure what that is. It isn't a sprite, that much I'm sure of.

Sprites would be much smaller, would be built pixel by pixel. Also, a back sprite would only be viewed from the back.

[Shahin]

[IMG]http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5632/backspriteedit.th.png (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/backspriteedit.png/)
OK I know I barley edit these but I feel like it gets rid of that clumpy feeling...

Sorry about the size I cant get Paint.Net to resize it without bluring it so you have to click it to see it...

[Reliability]

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/730/158reefrain.png
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6200/176misticade.png
Done.

IB, ones in this topic: which aren't good for repository?

[ImmunityBow]

Let's see...

Metusk (It really needs to be raised so you can see more of it)
Arowana (IMO you focused too much on the body and so it looks a little puny, a closer crop should fill the space better and less awkwardly)

That's it.

I forgot to mention: Zantilidae is entirely awesome, great kudos.

Awesome, awesome work, Reliability! This is quite the milestone!

[MK94]

sory IB i totaly forgt about that inflare back sprite ( freekin school ):(

[Reliability]

NEXT THING:
Edit the ones that aren't yet ready for the repository, so that the damn thing can be full. And that will be really nice. There are 11 of them:
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5675/135malduval.pnghttp://img641.imageshack.us/img641/719/139brontogon.pnghttp://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5308/130serberine.png
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9730/154caribrisk.pnghttp://a.imageshack.us/img839/1930/141vilephist.pnghttp://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55&stc=1&d=1282661430
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52&stc=1&d=1282600217http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49&d=1282503810http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6250/181metusk.png
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/768/186arowana.pnghttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9196/178leoracle.png
The critiques of these are in either this topic or in the Summer Project topic (http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/showthread.php?800-FINAL-PUSH!-14-to-Make-Many-More-to-Edit).
But as I said in the beginning, any sprite still on the list of non-officialized ones is up for edits. These are just what I'm going to be doing. :/

[Shahin]

How do I upload a thumbnail? I made an inflare back sprite but it only has a left arm and a head... I know my last one wasn't even a sprite but this is A LOT better

[Betatmw]

Does the upload site you're using not have an option for it as they usually do? But you shouldn't need to upload it as a thumbnail, if you stick to the 80x80px size they'll be as small as the rest of the ones in the thread anyway, and they'll be the right size.

[Reliability]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/719/139brontogon.png
By curving the neck, the jaggedness of the outline looks a little reduced. Also, it allowed me to add some of the body, which I think was the other thing someone wanted.
Or:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9726/brontogonb.png
Emphasizes hugeness.

[ImmunityBow]

Both Brontogons are way, way better. Now it's up to the public to decide which one's the best. I'm thinking the last one.

[Shahin]

How do I upload a thumbnail? I made an inflare back sprite but it only has a left arm and a head... I know my last one wasn't even a sprite but this is A LOT better

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3791/backspriteeditinflare.png (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/backspriteeditinflare.png/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[BladeVap]

Shahin, I can't even tell what that is...no offence.

[NyteFyre]

I say the large one, so it doesn't take up so much battle area space, especially in double battles.

[Reliability]

...it would take up the same amount of space as all the other ones. It's the same dimensions.

And Shahin, here is the current Inflare backsprite:
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1899/44inflare.png
If you want to try and improve on it, you can go ahead, but its one of the best ones we have IMO, and you might be better suited to re-do one of the ones that aren't at that level, like Embear, Grizlare or Tellure.

[Shahin]

...it would take up the same amount of space as all the other ones. It's the same dimensions.

And Shahin, here is the current Inflare backsprite:
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1899/44inflare.png
If you want to try and improve on it, you can go ahead, but its one of the best ones we have IMO, and you might be better suited to re-do one of the ones that aren't at that level, like Embear, Grizlare or Tellure.

O sorry I thought it hadn't been done yet because of what mk94 said

[Shahin]

Is there a forum thread with all back sprites? Thanks ahead of time

[Reliability]

There is no thread that has them all, but the repository is pretty up-to-date. The first post of this thread has a link.

Also, the other link in that post is to a list of sprites that still need edits to become officialized. If it isn't on that list, it doesn't need to be edited/re-done.

[Cyndadile]

I like them both, but I prefer the first one.

[Shahin]

Goldrake's good, nicely done. Arowana needs a closer crop, I think, zoom it in a lot so you see mainly head and neck, more head than anything. If it fills the space enough I think you can better get that huge feeling from it.

I just cropped it and gave it more of a pupil, what people say but I think something is still wrong... http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8665/arowana.png

[ImmunityBow]

Yeah, by closer crop I meant closer as in closer to the screen, so that would mean enlarging the sprite (not resizing! enlarging manually). Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Shahin]

Yeah, by closer crop I meant closer as in closer to the screen, so that would mean enlarging the sprite (not resizing! enlarging manually). Sorry for the misunderstanding.

NP

[totodileman]

might I start a project? To shiny-ify the backsprites? There are some that bug me, but the ones that look right, are easy shiny ifys

[ImmunityBow]

Sure, make sure you use the colour schemes set here:
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/showthread.php?763-Pokemon-Topaz-s-Shiny-Pokemon

[ImmunityBow]

Since the anatomy of Atlaxa was wrong, I redid the sprite. I'm still not too happy, but it should be easier to edit from here.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4954/atlaxa.png

[Reliability]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6539/187atlaxa.png
I'm not sure if its any better, but really the only things that needed fixing were how much of the ribs were showing on the spine because of perspective and the awkward angle of the left arm. The other stuff I did were just little things.

[NyteFyre]

Personally, i really like it Reli!

[ImmunityBow]

Yes! It's way better! You basically fixed everything that was wrong with it, and now it looks great.

[Cyndadile]

Very good!

Kind of funny, it reminds me of a toddler trying to look tough and scary.

[NyteFyre]

Well, seeing as i had nothing better to do today, i randomly attempted a lackluster Illumbra fix. I think it's ok. probably not usable though.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/309/0/3/illumbra_backsprite_by_drakewolf-d327zk7.png

Yes, i know it's too small, it's hard to do make it 80x80 when working in Paint. You can resize it if needed.

[Reliability]

The vertebra (at least the ones you added) are kinda crooked. They should be in a relatively straight line off of the ones that you didn't replace. Also, I think the staff needs to show past the other side of the wing. However, the bones still need to be fleshed out (lol contradiction) and made to look less fragile. I think a good approach might be to thicken them up and do some outline shading.

Also, the shading on the head needs to be redone, because the light source is coming from the complete wrong direction.

[Irot_Rebod]

Atlaxa looks superb now. Good work. :D

Reli's critiques reflect my feelings of Illumbra's backsprite. I'm anxious to see the edits.

[Reliability]

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6250/181metusk.pnghttp://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5308/130serberine.png

Added on to Metusk.
I added teeth to Serberine, because someone mentioned that it lacked that. Was there anything else?

[ImmunityBow]

Metusk's size is much better, but the trunk looks a little puny. I think it might look better thickened.

Serberine looks alright. I feel like it seems a little small but can't really think of a way to fit more of it into that 80x80 box.

[Reliability]

There is honestly no way to get Serberine any bigger. Putting more body in the shot would be contrary to his biological structure.

[Irot_Rebod]

I agree with IB about Metusk's trunk. Serberine looks great with the teeth. :D

[ImmunityBow]

I understand. It's probably got to do with this computer's screen resolution anyway. Everything looks small.

[Reliability]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6250/181metusk.pnghttp://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9730/154caribrisk.pnghttp://img3.imageshack.us/img3/768/186arowana.png

[Irot_Rebod]

Metusk definitely looks better, good work!

Caribrisk is quite fine, as well. Definitely at least a placeholder. My only gripe would be about the antlers, I know you're trying to get the displacement right because of the point of view, but where the antlers stem from don't quite seem right. A very minor edit, it seems to me. /yoda

Arowana is definitely a bold attempt. Kudos to you, for sure! My gripe is with the shape of the head and the placement of the eyes. The head seems too round? And the eyes seem too far off to the side. Definitely a great job for the first attempt!

[Reliability]

I don't think I can do Arowana anymore. My ability(/will) to fix it does not exist.
Caribrisk's edits were simply to make it not look like a box, which I think I did. I'll come back to it closer to Christmas (inspiration) and try to move some ears and stuff around so it looks more natural.

FYI, I'm mostly done all my work for the term right now, barring studying for exams (of which I have two really easy ones).
Therefore, GOAL: have all the sprites at repository-quality by Christmas. Look forward to it.

[Cyndadile]

I thought that I'd try editing Caribrisk (to see if I have a chance in the spriting world), just some changes to the ears and antlers. I happened to notice that, on the front sprite, Caribrisk had one antler that branched into two. I tried to replicate that in my edit.

http://cyndadile.webs.com/154caribrisk3.png

[ImmunityBow]

Metusk is better. What do people think about an even bigger trunk? It's better now but seems a little small still.

Caribrisk is nice. I really like the shading on the antlers, didn't notice that before. I'm not sure if I prefer Cyndadile's edit. The left shoulder also looks a bit awkward, because there's nothing mirroring it on the other side. Have you tried eliminating the shading there entirely? Or increasing the shading until you have even more of a definition for the neck?

Arowana's still not quite there. I don't blame you. I'm kind of afraid to take a closer look myself. I'll try to when I get the nerve.

[Reliability]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9196/178leoracle.png
Largened the crystals on the back. Was there anything else?

[ImmunityBow]

It doesn't look wide enough proportionally to how tall it is. Leoracle's front sprite is very broad. This one is quite average. It does look better though, and the shading's nice.

[Reliability]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2681/178leoracle0.png

In order to get it any wider I had to go for a closer crop. Is it any wider. I definitely widened it more than I heightened but I can't tell by how much.

[ImmunityBow]

Better, though I feel that it could fill the space even more than that. Leoracle's almost squarish in appearance. Your pose is more natural, which is great for cats but doesn't give the same "I am a statue, HEAR ME ROAR!" feel.

[Reliability]

Any suggestions on how to do that? I tried making the outlines more square and making some of the shading less organic, but it didn't have a noticeable difference.
In the meantime:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2488/189illumbra.png

[Irot_Rebod]

Illumbra is very good. I'm happy with it. :D

[ImmunityBow]

Illumbra is tons better than before. Awesome job.

As for improving Leoracle, the only idea I have is to widen even more. When I highlight them image it seems like you're only using up 65x65 so it looks like there's space for enlargement.

[Reliability]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6250/181metusk.pnghttp://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8596/134duval.pnghttp://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5675/135malduval.png
Metusk: trunk is bigger
Duval: now, its the same size as Engil, which I think is important
Malduval: also largened. It's about the same crop as Benengil and its as large as it can get.

[Irot_Rebod]

Metusk, Duval, and Malduval look quite nice. :)

[ImmunityBow]

Yup, great! One concern about Duval though. The shading around his left armpit seems jagged, could it be smoother?

[Reliability]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8596/134duval.pnghttp://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9196/178leoracle.pnghttp://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6250/181metusk.png
Duval is fixed and Metusk had some outlin issues that I noticed after posting, so those are fixed now.

Leoracle was maxed out in terms of width, so I tried changing the orientation of the gold thing, which works better now. I was then able to change the angle of the back, and thus make it wider. Any better?

[ImmunityBow]

Leoracle's presence is greatly increased!

Good job, Reliability. The part under the spikes and gold bit to the left seems like it shouldn't be blank space. Could you try rounding that out concavely so it's a little less awkward?

[Reliability]

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9196/178leoracle.pnghttp://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1930/141vilephist.pnghttp://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1008/165cackinge.png

For pretty much the final time as a group, which of the sprites not on the repository are now ready?

[Cyndadile]

They look good to me. Cackinge looks awesome, but the right arm seems a little flat.

[Reliability]

There aren't enough usable shades.

If it's an issue, I can try increasing the light on the arm overall, but when I first made it I judged that the way the arm was placed would not allow that.

[ImmunityBow]

Man, Cackinge looks so much better. It really looks ready to fight. That is an inspired piece of spriting!

Let's see...

Brontogon is now fine. First we need to decide which one we want to use though. I like the close crop, personally.
Atlaxa is now fine.
Metusk is now fine.
Serberine is now fine.
Caribrisk is now fine.
Leoracle is now fine.
Illumbra is now fine.
Duval and Malduval are now fine.
Cackinge is now fine.

The two I'm not too sure about still are Arowana and Vilephist. Vilephist seems a little too cute, it kind of looks like an alternate concept for Duval. Arowana I've already explained, though I know you've decided to leave it be for now. I think Arowana will make do as a placeholder for now since it's so difficult for anyone to simply improve upon what you've already done.

Great job, Reliability! This is awesome.

[SilentSentinel]

I like close crop for Brontogon as well. Great work though, wow.

[Irot_Rebod]

I also like the close crop Brontogon. All of these look great, Reli.

[Reliability]

Just stuck those up, including the close crop Brontogon, as here and on page 2 we have 5 votes for that one and one slight preference for the other.

[Tyrannigon64]

I've started to give Arowana an attempt, but I'm not sure it's big enough. We'll see. Also, I don't think I'll be good with the texture, so I'll just make it without the scales so someone can add those later (if it's even good enough for anyone to care whether or not it has scales)

Edit: Here it is
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=233

Here's just the outline, because sometimes that's easier to work with.
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=234

Again, they may be too small, I just wanted to give it a try.

[Reliability]

Ya, it's a little small.

You have a lot more room to make it bigger, since your limits are 80x80. To give you an idea:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3350/81x81.png
This box is 81x81, so if it fits inside this box, it is the right size. Your sprite fills maybe half of it.

But your head looks far better than mine IMO. If you can re-sprite just the head of my most recent one, I think that will improve it.

[Tyrannigon64]

Do you think that enlarging my sprite's head, and putting it on your sprite's body would be good? I'm enlarging my sprite's head, so I'll put on your sprite's body and see how that goes.

[ImmunityBow]

One concern I have with this one is that it looks like it's facing sideways rather than towards the opponent.

[Tyrannigon64]

Do you think that enlarging my sprite's head, and putting it on your sprite's body would be good? I'm enlarging my sprite's head, so I'll put on your sprite's body and see how that goes.

Said sprite is now in my album, if you want to see it.

[Reliability]

One concern I have with this one is that it looks like it's facing sideways rather than towards the opponent.

But even so, I think it looks better than my head. But IB is right, it really needs to be looking more at the opponent than either of ours. Probably at an angle where you can't see the eye at all...

[Tyrannigon64]

I've got more Arowana back sprites! Could someone please tell me which one is correct in the way of colour on the back of the head?

V4:
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=238

V5:
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=237

Oh yeah, I forgot that someone needs to give him some... whatever those stringy things are (what are they anyways? Are they antennae and a mustache?). Also, the head might be a bit too big, I'll work on that at some point if anyone thinks so too.

[Reliability]

The good thing about backsprites is that we get to have some artistic license. Nothing we do is right or wrong, since as long as everything is consistent with the front sprite, anything that is shown is ours to interpret (ex. Ferrain's shield can only be seen from the side in the front sprite. The art on the front of the shield as seen in the current backsprite was entirely my idea.)

The main issue I have with yours is the roundness of the head. The back should be slightly unrounded and the snout should be a bit longer to try, since right now the mouth look very much like part of the head. But that is the right angle, much closer to what is right. Also, here is my most recent Arowana. The one you used is the smaller version, as IB suggested that we use this larger one:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/768/186arowana.png

If you can get the head right, I can add the whiskers (I think, not antenna) onto it. I may also decide to add the other arm, since the angle is changed. Thanks so much for doing this! It's nice to have some fresh blood.

[Tyrannigon64]

Hmm... Your new sprite looks kind of... unnatural. It's mainly the lines that look a bit strange. I'll try and edit it to make it look more natural, but otherwise I like it.!

P.S. I just realized that we live in the same province :P

Edit: Here's the new sprite.
http://www.pokemontopaz.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=239

[ImmunityBow]

The main problem I have with Arowana is that it seems so puny. Look at that arm. Proportionally it's really tiny, and the whole sprite seems so slim.

[X-Antibody]

I suppose I should start my revival here. I've noticed a stunning lack of consistency between my style and well... the rest of Topaz, so I'm just going through ALL my sprites to match the others some more. So far I've finished cleaning up Gashawk a bit, and I'm working on an Arowana backsprite which I'll show the WIP of. I'll do Vilephist's backsprite afterwards and then rework my icons to match the new ones by Tyrannigon64. After that I may go through the backsprites and redo some of them because I think they look a bit dodgy (no offense to the original makers)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Backsprites1forTopaz-1.pnghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Backsprites2forTopaz.png

okay Arowana's backsprite is finished too~
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Backsprites2forTopaz-1.png

[ImmunityBow]

Hey, WB X-Antibody!

Gashawk is a lot smaller than before. Was that intentional?

Also, for Arowana, I love how the body turned out but the head still seems a bit small. Otherwise it looks pretty great!

[X-Antibody]

I see we still have that editing post thing.

I just realised that Arowana might be a bit "small" compared to the current backsprites and I really should crop it and make the sprite bigger. Either that or I go through the effort of going through all of the current backsprites, shrinking the heads a bit and putting more of the body in (more details =D), and I'm actually leaning towards that option more because Arowana gave me several finger cramps, I love it and I've already grown quite attached to it... Of course this might cause problems with the rest of the Topaz community that toiled (harder) to make all the backsprites we have today so I'm pretty much torn. Just want to know your opinions~

I also fixed up Arowana's head thing a bit;
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Backsprites2forTopaz-2.png

Oh and Gashawk was made smaller to fit in between the other two bird of the line.

[X-Antibody]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/vilephist.png
Vilephist, complete with a new front sprite (because I personally thought that the old sprite's posture looked a bit stiff and unnatural) Might actually be too big this time, but eh. Comment~

[Reliability]

Arowana: As much as I think it's an amazing piece of spriting, I would say it needs to be bigger. The only reason I say that is because of how several canon back sprites are. (Dragonite and Charizard (IIRC) come to mind: they are simply heads) Even just a closer crop of this bit:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4985/xantiaro.png

Vilephist: I love it, and the new front sprite. It isn't too big, as long as Blitzfaust is edited to similar size (which I'm sure you were going to do anyway, because he's right up there in the 'dodgy' sprites)

(no offense to the original makers)
A big 'none taken' from me. ...and considering the sprites you're talking about are more than likely ones I did/had a hand in, that's really all you need. There are several up there that I'm not totally happy with, but my goal was to get placeholders first, so I was more concerned with getting things out there for other people to edit rather than overall quality. Recently anyway. Some of my really old stuff (Embear/Grizlare) is just bad because they were the first backsprites I ever did. But I guess the reason for their quality isn't important, as long as they are improved.
Side note for X-Antibody:

There are a few sprites that I'm kind of attached to, and I would be very grateful if you didn't touch them right away, but allow me to try and fix them first (if you think they need it)
Grific and Gryphonic
Striba
Equill
Serberine
Cackinge
Flintusk
Goldrake

Most of them need something done to them (hence their non-officialization) but I don't think any of these are bad enough to really need a complete overhaul.

Indeed, welcome back. And thanks for stepping up!

Also, if anyone finds such things interesting, the What Has and Hasn't Been Done topic has gotten another update to reflect that we have sprites for everything now. I also am planning to get back into spriting and join X-A in working to try and fix up/revamp some of my older sprites (lol Embear). My prolonged absence is going to be hard to break, but bear with me until I get over this hump.

[X-Antibody]

Arowana: As much as I think it's an amazing piece of spriting, I would say it needs to be bigger. The only reason I say that is because of how several canon back sprites are. (Dragonite and Charizard (IIRC) come to mind: they are simply heads) Even just a closer crop of this bit:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4985/xantiaro.png
I suppose I should, I'll probably keep this version for personal use c:
Vilephist: I love it, and the new front sprite. It isn't too big, as long as Blitzfaust is edited to similar size (which I'm sure you were going to do anyway, because he's right up there in the 'dodgy' sprites)
Thanks! Haha, I was going to edit them too since I have the same personal problem against Blitzfaust's front pose.
A big 'none taken' from me. ...and considering the sprites you're talking about are more than likely ones I did/had a hand in, that's really all you need. There are several up there that I'm not totally happy with, but my goal was to get placeholders first, so I was more concerned with getting things out there for other people to edit rather than overall quality. Recently anyway. Some of my really old stuff (Embear/Grizlare) is just bad because they were the first backsprites I ever did. But I guess the reason for their quality isn't important, as long as they are improved.
Yup, thanks! I'll work on them when I'm motivated enough~ (main reason I keep going on and off, bad reason, but motivation and inspiration are the only things that can drive me)
Side note for X-Antibody:

There are a few sprites that I'm kind of attached to, and I would be very grateful if you didn't touch them right away, but allow me to try and fix them first (if you think they need it)
Grific and Gryphonic
Striba
Equill
Serberine
Cackinge
Flintusk
Goldrake

Most of them need something done to them (hence their non-officialization) but I don't think any of these are bad enough to really need a complete overhaul.

That's okay, because I like most of those myself. I'll just include some things I personally say can be fixed on them;
Grific and Gryphonic - Grific is nice, but the outline's shading is a bit off the actual lightsource (the head has a darker outline than the body, when it probably should be the other way around)
My only real complaint about Gryphonic would be the shading, and maybe the beak? The shading all around the sprite is pretty much all over the place, and I don't think the way the wings are shaded really gives off the right texture. The mane looks pillowshaded, which isn't a good idea on sprites that need to look semi-professional.
Striba - I like Stribra c: Just not too hot about the head and headshape.
Equill - I would say that the head is too rounded off and detached from the 'body', as in the front sprite the two things are pretty much one and the same, only a small indent to show that it actually has a body and a head and not just both in the same rounded rectangle. The wings are also a bit small in proportion, compared to the front.
Serberine - I was going to say I'm pretty much okay with it except for some of the headshapes, except I realise those make up the whole sprite. I guess it's really only the way the head on the most left side (our left) sort of bumps into the middle head, (as in the middle head's indent to seperate head from neck is a bit too large and starts too early, making the left head meld into it and look dodgy)
Cackinge - I would just fiddle with the shading and outline of the arm closest to us a little. The head piece is also has odd shading imo but that's okay since I find that that's just Topaz's style.
Flintusk - Head is a bit wonky, I would take a chunk out of the part furthest from us (the [our] left part) and put more ear in there. Maybe clean up the mane and make the split hair (the 'spikes') a bit smaller and closer together, make the mane more clean. And I suppose we should be able to see the tusk.
Goldrake - I can honestly say this is probably one of your best~ I can only see slight problems with the fin, it should be more rounded and the outline should be smoother (as well as have scales cover the whole surface area) and the tail is slightly pillow-shaded, which should be changed and have the tail be outline-shaded a bit.
Indeed, welcome back. And thanks for stepping up!

Also, if anyone finds such things interesting, the What Has and Hasn't Been Done topic has gotten another update to reflect that we have sprites for everything now. I also am planning to get back into spriting and join X-A in working to try and fix up/revamp some of my older sprites (lol Embear). My prolonged absence is going to be hard to break, but bear with me until I get over this hump.

Cheers!~ Let's do our best! c:

Comments in bold! (overdone but still do-able and very convenient)



EDIT: It was 2AM and I didn't see myself sleeping very soon so I did Blitzfaust;
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/blitzfaust.png
It's actually a complete super-edit of my Vilephist (hope it's not too noticeable) and the front sprite was made to match my Vilephist front sprite. Well it's 2:41AM now and I can definitely see myself sleeping. I'll be back [my] tomorrow though~!... When all of you are sleeping/occupied and not online ._.

[ImmunityBow]

I think the new Blitzfaust and Vilephist backsprites look fantastic. The front sprites I don't mind either way, but am open to change.

As for Arowana, Reliability's probably right about the crop, though I do love what you've done with the body... (And absolutely agreed on Goldrake, it's wonderful)

That's a pretty good comeback, X-Antibody!

[X-Antibody]

Thanks~ c: I remade Kraklaw (to follow some of Quinn's old suggestions such as [turn the body around a bit] and I repositioned the claws to be less dodgy and stuff) and it comes with a new backsprite (not as detailed as the old one)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Kraklaw2.png
I tried to style it to fit in with the other Topaz sprites a bit more because every time I look at the Backsprite/Front sprite section in the repository it just stands out a lot as one of the two DPPtHGSS styled backsprites (this would be Kipporok, and it still blends in) The palette's a bit odd because I'm colourblind and can't make palettes for crud so feel free to change that (I tried to make the contrast between shades, saturation and stuff similar to Novoni's style but... didn't go too well)

I'm guessing it's better for me to stick most of my front/back sprites in this place and then put my icons into my old icon thread or just stick them here too. If I get 'Offtopic' then just boot me out of this thread and I'll probably reuse one of my older ones.

[X-Antibody]

Finished remaking Arowana's backsprite to be closer and larger~
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Arowanatake2.png
I still prefer the old one but this one isn't too bad either imo c:

[X-Antibody]

Made an Abyssus, pretty proud of myself c:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/abyssus.png
I think I'm getting a bit attached to dithering :x

[X-Antibody]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Ferrian.pnghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Zantilidae.png
Did Zantilidae and Ferrian.

EDIT: Moved all my files to a Photobucket album;
http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/
Pass for private album is "X-AntibodysTopazAlbum"
Everything I've done for Topaz over the years should be there (except for a few- that would be when I started using tinypic instead)

[Cyndadile]

Great work!

Not sure I'm a fan of the Kraklaw front, though.

Abyssus and Arowana are great.

[Quinn]

I gotta say true dat for the most point. Dont take it wrong, want this as constructive as possible.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Ferrian.png It seems his spear like thing *watev its called* is a bit more high raised for the "heat of battle"
Excluding Gen 4's 1st frame backsprite http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/72/Spr_b_g4_335.png, you always see Zangoos's famous claws http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f4/Spr_b_g3_335.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e5/Spr_b_g5_335.png
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Zantilidae.png so...as I bet you could guess by now, I think he should have some claw being seen. Whether its pointed at the opponent like a "your gonna be shreds" or rased kinda in the "come on and try me" like his front sprite, he should have showing claws. Also, idk if its just my eyes and the front sprite, but his arms look kinda less "beafy" than the front.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Kraklaw2.png I like its possitioning for the most part, and I know its a squid and all, but it seems kinda weak for being the big badass in the beggining. Maybe even some evil to the eye, and a claw raised could do some magic. Excluding Tentas, I think for its size and stuff, maybe the backsprite should show even some eye. Not much of course, but enough to show this badass means business, and you can't "touch this". Ya know?

I know thats weird critisism, but hey, hope it helps. Though I didn't mention the others, thats cause I think they look WAYYY good! If I could sprite like that, I would be the shitdigadi. lol. I would love to know how to sprite that good.
Also, I for one am pretty attached to the change of the Blitz and Vile, and I could whip up a shiny asap if I hear a "good to go" type of thing. I for them.

[ImmunityBow]

Agreeing for the most part with Quinn. Kraklaw seems a little too submissive in the new sprite. Abyssus' and Arowana's new backsprites are epic.

[Reliability]

Some of your links are now broken. They definitely weren't earlier today, so I'm going off of what I remember for Blitzfaust.

Blitzfaust: I had an issue with both front and back. The front was mostly to do with outlines that seemed a little jagged, but I didn't have time to look closely and see exactly why.
The back seemed inorganic, especially the wings on the head. When the images go back up, I can edit them if you want me to, as I realize I'm not being very specific right now.

Kraklaw: i agree with the above: it seems a little too gelatinous (THERE'S a word I never thought I could use in conversation) and easy to squish.

Ferrain: The sprite feels really contained, like he has the shield and lance clutched really close to him. That was the issue that I had with the sheild in my attempt, so I'm not sure how you could go about fixing that bit. Quinn might be on the right track with raising the lance a little, though. It may help.

Zantilidae: I really like the head, but there is something about the body that feels awkward. Still overall better than mine, but I'll try and figure what's wrong with it on a later date.


The palette's a bit odd because I'm colourblind
That makes two of us. That's right Topaz, none of your artists can see colours properly. We are LEGIT!

[Tyrannigon64]

Some of the pictures don't show up on my computer (You're Abyssus and Arowana), but the other ones work. Here are my comments:

Kraklaw: I personally think that the colours are improved, but the actual sprite is (as Reliabilty and ImmunityBow have mentioned) weak looking. Also, you can barely see the claws.
Zantilidae: It seems better, but I can't seem to figure out what it is you have improved.
Ferrian: It's better than what we have already, but I think something's wrong with it, I just don't know what (Possibly something about the shield, I'm not too sure).

[X-Antibody]

Some of your links are now broken. They definitely weren't earlier today, so I'm going off of what I remember for Blitzfaust.

EDIT: Moved all my files to a Photobucket album;
http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/
Pass for private album is "X-AntibodysTopazAlbum"
Everything I've done for Topaz over the years should be there (except for a few- that would be when I started using tinypic instead)
That fixes it for you and Tyrannigon64.
But for you who does not like scrolling through Photobucket albums;
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/abyssus.pnghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Arowanatake2.pnghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/vilephist.pnghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Kraklaw2.png

Blitzfaust: I had an issue with both front and back. The front was mostly to do with outlines that seemed a little jagged, but I didn't have time to look closely and see exactly why.
The back seemed inorganic, especially the wings on the head. When the images go back up, I can edit them if you want me to, as I realize I'm not being very specific right now.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/blitzfaust.png
I'm not too hyped about the wings either, so I'll try and fix those too.

Kraklaw: i agree with the above: it seems a little too gelatinous (THERE'S a word I never thought I could use in conversation) and easy to squish.
Welp. I'll try and make it more hardcore bamf later, I'll focus on getting the backs finalised first since it's easier.

Ferrain: The sprite feels really contained, like he has the shield and lance clutched really close to him. That was the issue that I had with the sheild in my attempt, so I'm not sure how you could go about fixing that bit. Quinn might be on the right track with raising the lance a little, though. It may help.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Ferrian-1.png

Zantilidae: I really like the head, but there is something about the body that feels awkward. Still overall better than mine, but I'll try and figure what's wrong with it on a later date.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Zantilidae-1.png
Well there's less body to feel awkward about since I fattened up the tail when I saw the Gen 4 Zangoose's tail.

That makes two of us. That's right Topaz, none of your artists can see colours properly. We are LEGIT!
That actually feels pretty epic. I still hate palettes though.

EDIT:
@ Tyrannigon64 [forgot to quote you]
Kraklaw: Yeah, I'll do my best to make him tough and kickbutt.
Zantilidae: Essentially... I resprited the whole thing. From scratch.
Ferrian: See above and re-comment about what still seems dodgy.

[Irot_Rebod]

This thread is full of epic and win. I look forward to more graphic work being done regarding sprites. Great work! :D

[X-Antibody]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/blitzfaust-1.png
Are Blitzfaust's wings any better?

[Reliability]

Better. Have you tied not using black outlines on them at all? Or, just on the outside of the right one. Either way, they would look significantly lighter.

[X-Antibody]

I was something like 2 pixels away from finishing Kraklaw, saving obsessively because my computer likes to spazz on me and my computer spazzed in the middle of saving so I lost it. It had an almost completely new backsprite and the front sprite was somewhat angrier and aggressive but all that is goneeeeeeeeeeeee.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/blitzfaust-2.png
And I lightened the outlines of the wings a bit, better?

[Tyrannigon64]

Arowana looks pretty good. Abyssus, that scarf kind of thing seems a bit thick, but that might just be me.

[Reliability]

Wings are much better.
Now, the only two things I see on that one are the left shoulder and the neck-brace thing. The shoulder is a little low and a little angular, but fixing one may be enough. I think the brace should extend a little to the left and the base could be a little more curved.

Abyssus and Arowana are awesome. And I think that Ferrain and Zantilidae are improved quite a bit as well. I'd like to get these (especially Vilephist and Arowana) up on the repository ASAP, but I'll just wait for IB to post any of his own comments and give the all clear.

[ImmunityBow]

All clear.

[X-Antibody]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/blitzfaust-3.png
I think Blitzfaust is pretty much done by now...?

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Kraklaw2-1.png
And how does Kraklaw look~

EDIT: Fixed up Kraklaw's backsprite a bit.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Kraklaw2-3.png

[Tyrannigon64]

I like it, but the eyes are a bit too blue.

[X-Antibody]

Honestly I'm just saving colours /cheap...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Kraklaw2-4.png
BUT I GUESS THIS IS A FANGAME NOT A HACK SO IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE RIGHT?!~8D
Guess I should get rid of that palette saving habit.

[Reliability]

I'm happy with those.

[Cyndadile]

I think that is good.

[ImmunityBow]

I like the face way better but the front two legs seems kind of short and awkward, don't you think?

[Sev]

Hmm... the eycolor is incorrect =/ I fixed it but how do i upload the spite?

[Sev]

I changed the ears on the back sprite to be more acurate to the actual Kraken, but was to lazy to do the front... Still cant upload pics!!!!!

[X-Antibody]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/PapaLuLu27/Topaz/Kraklaw2-5.png
Well... Like that, maybe?

[Cyndadile]

Maybe (in the frontsprite) you could have a couple of tentacles in the back rising in the air menacingly?

[X-Antibody]

I don't want to crowd the front sprite too much, but I'll do it with more opinions.

[Tyrannigon64]

I personally really like it. But the front left tentacle (Kraklaw's left) seems kind of crowded at the end.

[Black Temple Gaurdian]

Bigger claws, the current one looks like it could take apart a ship's hull (as is the legend), this one doesn't.

[ImmunityBow]

I feel like Kraklaw could be one of those sprites that could get crowded and seem right. It's a Kraken, and Krakens tend to more than fill the box!

[Sev]

i feel the original kraklaw is better :(