Questions

**ImmunityBow** · 05-13-10 10:47 PM

We're not using any of the 4th gen moves. In my opinion, the 4th gen moves are among some of the most poorly designed, based on giving every type everything and entirely rushed with respect to trying to get the Physical/Special Split through. Also, they'd represent a lot more work for us to do, and a possibly much stronger competitive metagame than was in Topaz's vision.

Yeah, the storyline is currently getting a revamp. Due to how Caldera/Kirant is made, making the tons of storyline between gyms 5 and 6 may be inevitable, but hopefully the newer script could incorporate some of those events afterwards to make the leveling curve a little less drastic. The level differences I decided to give up on for precisely that reason. I was thinking that perhaps a second demo might be necessary for that one, so that we can see what levels people got up to and change them accordingly.

Dolphure's moveset, in my opinion, is a very tricky one. The best moveset I could find for it is using Serenade to prevent contact moves (most Physical moves) and then Mirror Coat to reflect back any special moves. And early on it's not very sweeper-based at all. Water Pulse is used more often than not for confusion, at least competitively. Supersonic and Water Sport are very support-oriented moves. In the end its base stats are sort of reminiscent of Lugia's: Mainly to soak up damage (85/90/100 yes please!), surprisingly high speed (98 is unfortunate but still considered high), and can attack when needed. As for HMs on movesets, I believe Rayquaza got Fly when you got him, and almost everyone had a Rayquaza. It's not unprecedented.

**Quinn** · 05-14-10 12:18 AM

I can't see a big problem with dolphures move set. Though I dont know how to do competitive battles (I just teach my pokemon all power moves), I think its fine.
The map thing I was acutally thinking of though too. I dont think it will happen, though I will admit, You have my vote on adding the new area.

**ImmunityBow** · 05-14-10 01:39 AM

I believe Caldera/Kirant was designed based off of the region in Japan that is adjacent to the one Johto was based off of. An addition to the area west of Johto is definitely possible though, since it wouldn't impact anything unduly.

And Zenith, you seem to be an intelligent new member, so I'm glad to have you around!

**Zenith** · 05-14-10 02:48 AM

Uh, thanks.

What I actually meant is that I was under the impression that Cianwood, the Safari Zone, and Routes 47 & 48 were on an island by themselves, since Serebii has them like that. But I just looked at the map on my copy of Soul Silver, and it's pretty ambiguous there.

But adding in Routes 47 & 48 would be a pretty cool shout out. Maybe we could have the path to Cianwood be over land instead of trying to cram in Route 41, since we're really limited with space on that side of the map. Then have 48 connect to Laysan.

I'm going off topic. Is there a major suggestion thread for this stuff I somehow missed?

**ImmunityBow** · 05-14-10 02:59 AM

There was on the old forum but I think this place is as good as any.

**SilentSentinel** · 05-14-10 05:10 AM

About the reigon question, I looked it up and found that caldera/kirant is based on the chugoku and shikoku reigons of japan.

**Zenith** · 05-14-10 08:18 PM

So Johto covers western Chubu and Kansai. Huh.

Maybe we need a new suggestion thread? I noticed a couple problems with some of the Light moves, and I feel like it would make more sense in a suggestion thread. And it probably wouldn't seem as legit if a new guy like me created it.

**Zenith** · 05-15-10 04:56 AM

Something I forgot. If what some of the NPC text for Sunset Village says is right, does Topaz take place a couple decades after the other games?

**NyteFyre** · 05-15-10 02:57 PM

Yes, we consider it a fan made 3rd gen sprited 4th gen. it's basically how we would have wanted to make gen 4, instead of what did come out.

**Zenith** · 05-15-10 11:03 PM

Another one. Is there anywhere around here to discuss potential movesets? All I've been seeing are 'Dex entries.

**Mediocrity_Incarnate** · 05-15-10 11:14 PM

All the movesets have been finalized for a while.

**Zenith** · 05-16-10 04:11 AM

...For everything up to Forretress. What about the movesets of the ones we're making 'Dex entries for right now?

**ImmunityBow** · 05-16-10 04:27 AM

That's because we had a forum crash a while ago and I wanted to restore everything into a cleaner format. Then busy-ness happened and so that's why it's been on hold for a little while. If you check the disorganized mass below you'll find every Pokemon in Topaz, and a large chunk of the previous gen ones.

**Zenith** · 05-21-10 07:39 PM

How exactly do the evolutions work in the Trillogill line?

**SilentSentinel** · 05-21-10 10:22 PM

Trillogill's evolutions work based on which stat out of attack, defense, or speed is the highest. Tidasale is for attack, Tsunall is for defense, and Quiisord for speed. It's base stats are equal in all three of those areas.

**Zenith** · 05-22-10 01:03 AM

So it's like an aquatic Tyrogue. Cool.

So with an evo line like that, is Trillogill gonna be a rare encounter, since Tyrogue is usually one-time-only in the canon games?

**NyteFyre** · 05-22-10 01:34 AM

most likely, maybe thru a trade, egg, or area where you can catch them, like with the Goldrake in the sunken ship

**ImmunityBow** · 05-22-10 01:52 AM

Nope, Trillogill is a normal fishable Pokemon. Firstly I wouldn't want to depend overly much on trading to complete a Caldera/Kirant dex, as finding trades on Topaz (if Badara's ideas work out) will likely more difficult than finding one with canon games. Also when the Pokemon list was designed, they did not take into account the fact that they needed several fishing water Pokemon, even if redundant, and so there's a bit of a shortage of fishing Pokes (also our decision to not include Tentacool and to diversify the seas a little compounded that problem).

**SilentSentinel** · 05-22-10 02:07 AM

It's worth it imo. I'll take trillogill over tentacool spam any day.

**NyteFyre** · 05-22-10 06:46 PM

Agreed, tentacool, and tentacruel later on were the single most annoying above water surfing pokes EVER.

**Quinn** · 05-22-10 07:34 PM

I third that!!!

**Merlin** · 05-24-10 08:01 PM

believe me they are a pain to have to deal with all over those regions...
i've got an idea for one of the games i was gonna work on where it would have certain pokes from other regions in according to the time of year...
allowing for water and flying type pokes to be found outside their specific regions...
but that would require a ton of programming and finding out what needs to be done to allow that...
(u could only get this after u go the nationaldex)

**zeroality** · 05-24-10 11:59 PM

Not sure what you mean, could you give an example?

**Quinn** · 05-25-10 12:09 AM

by what I get from it, he seems to mean when you get the national dex, during "real world" winter time, birds like fincherp and pidgey wouldn't be very often although, stuff like polara would be more common.

**Silver** · 05-29-10 01:30 AM

hey i've a question
on the map in one town it starts talking about suicune
in another entei
but i can't find raikou anywhere
and what pupose do the trio have in the game?

**SilentSentinel** · 05-29-10 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by silver

hey i've a question
on the map in one town it starts talking about suicune
in another entei
but i can't find raikou anywhere
and what pupose do the trio have in the game?

Those descriptions are outdated. I think the trio was going to be in the game at some point in the past, but currently they will not be unless implemented through patch later on.

**Quinn** · 05-29-10 06:05 AM

I dont wanna have silvers question get lost behind mine, so answer it

but anyways, is there a way I could get the overworld sprites of the youngers boys and girls, and the swimmers (possilbly tubers)

**zeroality** · 05-29-10 09:30 AM

http://www.pokemontopaz.net/repository/trainersprites/

I think that's all the Topaz trainer sprites we have, unless IB is holding out on me.

Someone else will have to answer the question about the legendary beast trio.

**Quinn** · 05-29-10 03:30 PM

no overworlds then? Should I make them? Also, I used DP for "S C" (for a bigger look), but should I for the youngers?

**Quinn** · 05-31-10 11:45 PM

I'm kinda bored, but I dont really wanna work on the odd couple right now, and I dont know if there is anything yet to do with "Hiker Clause", so here is a random image.

What is this image? Its possible things that I could do.
Also, what about the overworlds then?

**Eliot Kovach** · 06-01-10 09:08 AM

Could we add more Pokemon to the Topaz? I don't mean more pokemon in general, but having another grass type eeveelution is a bit... Uncreative...?
I have a poison type eeveelution sprite already made, so if you wanna see it, let me know, cause I think it might be good to have more eeveelutions then just Chloreon.

**zeroality** · 06-01-10 09:53 AM

Well, it's not uncreative when you take into consideration that we made it before we knew about Leafeon.

At the time, it was original since there were no grass-type Eeveelutions. Then D/P came out with Leafeon and Honchkrow (we had Harskrow first too).

Hopefully when the new 'History of Topaz' page is made we can avoid explaining these things. Welcome to the community, and I hope you stick around for a bit.

In the meantime, I'm not opposed to change as far as these two Pokemon are concerned but some of the others may be attached to the concepts/sprites.

Quinn, what is that? I don't even.

**Eliot Kovach** · 06-01-10 12:52 PM

I see. But maybe now that IV generation is out, maybe Harskrow should be like alternate evo of Murkrows, like Slowpoke has, and maybe add something new.
And just one more thing, where can I find complete dex with evolutions of the Topaz pokemon? Cause I'm a bit confused with some of them.

**zeroality** · 06-01-10 02:29 PM

http://www.pokemontopaz.net/sprites/

The official site Dex is still being worked on but that's the order and the evolution lines should be fairly obvious.

**Quinn** · 06-01-10 04:17 PM

that little quick thing I made is just some stuff I was wondering I could do. 1st is the general mat thingy, 2nd, is the pokemon hp thingy, and 3rd is just move animations. 1 & 3 I would love to do (but 3 is still waiting), but 2, I do but I dont.

**Cranky Guy** · 06-03-10 08:20 AM

The question to have been asked a while ago.

Can we sticky this thread?

**zeroality** · 06-03-10 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by cranky guy

Can we sticky this thread?

Already been asked and answered.

Originally Posted by zeroality

6. Shouldn't this thread be stickyed?
It stays bumped enough, we're trying to minimize stickies.

**hlawless** · 06-03-10 01:23 PM

OMG someone on deviantart is stealing the Pokemon from this site http://pokemonboy09.deviantart.com/

he is just making minor changes to the colors and names of the pokemon and we need to report him so if anyone has a deviantart go to that page and report him

**Black Temple Gaurdian** · 06-03-10 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by hlawless

OMG someone on deviantart is stealing the Pokemon from this site http://pokemonboy09.deviantart.com/

he is just making minor changes to the colors and names of the pokemon and we need to report him so if anyone has a deviantart go to that page and report him

Actually, (I haven't checked) I reckon you could find all of those as shiny sprite suggestions so I doubt he even changed the colours.

**Quinn** · 06-03-10 04:18 PM

though I would love to get some of those recolors from him, he isn't part of the team, and he isn't making shinies, but rather messing ours up for his own "creations"
I got him reported.

since I'm a brown nose like that.

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