I addressed Moocalf in your linked topic. For such a short Pokemon that much shouldn't be showing, otherwise it'd be on stilts. The Celsinge line I guess just really didn't have enough process to them in terms of people discussing them and so passed off, though now you've brought them up people are welcome to address them. I think at the time I was a little miffed at how much credit Quinn was taking for what was mostly Novoni's work but now that my head is clearer we can talk about it.